Modifying to be illegal?
Discussion
CarCrazyDad said:
Nothing is impossible
Everything is crackable
Being told something is impossible only makes people try harder to do it
Look at Tesla in America (Rich's rebuilds)
The un-workable car has been virtually fully cracked
You won't ever stop people changing alloy wheels, or fitting better audio or small touches like a spoiler or splitter
Even engine remapping and unlocking things like speed limiters - https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/german-tuner-rem...
They will try their hardest but I think there will be a huge outcry from the aftermarket parts business sectors for what a huge amount of money - £22 BILLION (https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/FS_SMMT_THE-IMPORTANCE-OF-THE-UK-AFTERMARKET.pdf) and over 340,000 jobs.
Knowing how most garage owners / mechanics are they aren't going to take anything lying down....
Most modern cars have intergrated audio so bye bye aftermarket units, BMW Ecus are very locked down nowadays they require removing and posting off to a specialist to unlock (only place was in Russia) so don’t be under any illusion that it’s comingEverything is crackable
Being told something is impossible only makes people try harder to do it
Look at Tesla in America (Rich's rebuilds)
The un-workable car has been virtually fully cracked
You won't ever stop people changing alloy wheels, or fitting better audio or small touches like a spoiler or splitter
Even engine remapping and unlocking things like speed limiters - https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/german-tuner-rem...
They will try their hardest but I think there will be a huge outcry from the aftermarket parts business sectors for what a huge amount of money - £22 BILLION (https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/FS_SMMT_THE-IMPORTANCE-OF-THE-UK-AFTERMARKET.pdf) and over 340,000 jobs.
Knowing how most garage owners / mechanics are they aren't going to take anything lying down....
CarCrazyDad said:
bigothunter said:
What happens at annual Specification Compliance Checks during MOTs?
Those are not part of any current MOT.Edited by bigothunter on Thursday 31st March 19:16
In any event not like there aren't any happy testers...
I can't believe modifiers or cowboy testers will be allowed this latitude for much longer. It is simply out of step with the way motoring regulation and cars are going.
But that's just my view - let's see how matters develop
bigothunter said:
CarCrazyDad said:
bigothunter said:
What happens at annual Specification Compliance Checks during MOTs?
Those are not part of any current MOT.Edited by bigothunter on Thursday 31st March 19:16
In any event not like there aren't any happy testers...
I can't believe modifiers or cowboy testers will be allowed this latitude for much longer. It is simply out of step with the way motoring regulation and cars are going.
But that's just my view - let's see how matters develop
CarCrazyDad said:
All very well and good but not a single member of parliament has any interest in cars so.......
Other than Boris Johnson as it turns out........ if you remember the Top Gear interview...
They don't necessarily have to have an interest in cars, just a desire to minimise Government overreach and interference in things.Other than Boris Johnson as it turns out........ if you remember the Top Gear interview...
liner33 said:
I saw recently that New York State have outlawed modifying exhaust in any way that would make the car louder
Punishable by up to 30 days in jail ! Mental
Fantastic.Punishable by up to 30 days in jail ! Mental
The bill also requires that police cars be fitted with decibel meters. Always a problem in court simply saying the exhaust was too loud but without any proof to back up what is essentially your opinion.
But it's not just the car driver, it's the sellers and the garages that fit them that will be prosecuted as well.
"(b) No person shall, in the state, sell, offer for sale or install any of the following for the muffler or exhaust system of a motor vehicle:
a cut-out, bypass, or a similar device which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of such vehicle above
that emitted by the muffler or exhaust system originally installed on the vehicle."
And it's not just 30 days in jail, they can add a $1,000 fine as well and shut down corrupt inspectors who 'look the other way'
https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2021/S7...
Oilchange said:
We will all be wearing grey suits and driving Trabants by the sounds of it...
What makes you think we’ll be allowed to drive? 
Enjoy it while it last - we’ll be regulated out of personal transport and in to shared, autonomous, EV pods before we know it, all under the guise of being safer and better for the environment. There is a reason the large automakers are starting to rebrand and shift to being “mobility as a service providers” or whatever b
ks they are calling it.The future is an autonomous pod, owned by GM/Ford/Toyota that you rent from them on a per journey basis.
The forced adoption of EVs is only the start.
Jader1973 said:
What makes you think we’ll be allowed to drive?
Enjoy it while it last - we’ll be regulated out of personal transport and in to shared, autonomous, EV pods before we know it, all under the guise of being safer and better for the environment. There is a reason the large automakers are starting to rebrand and shift to being “mobility as a service providers” or whatever bks they are calling it.
The future is an autonomous pod, owned by GM/Ford/Toyota that you rent from them on a per journey basis.
The forced adoption of EVs is only the start.
Using those autonomous pods for local journeys at low speed only. Everything over a prescribed distance will be the domain of public transport: buses or trains. This is where trends are pointing unless there's a revolution.Enjoy it while it last - we’ll be regulated out of personal transport and in to shared, autonomous, EV pods before we know it, all under the guise of being safer and better for the environment. There is a reason the large automakers are starting to rebrand and shift to being “mobility as a service providers” or whatever b
ks they are calling it.The future is an autonomous pod, owned by GM/Ford/Toyota that you rent from them on a per journey basis.
The forced adoption of EVs is only the start.
Sorry to be a miserable old git but that's my view of the future. Certainly puts any concerns about private car modifications into perspective. You won't even own a car to modify
bigothunter said:
Jader1973 said:
What makes you think we’ll be allowed to drive?
Enjoy it while it last - we’ll be regulated out of personal transport and in to shared, autonomous, EV pods before we know it, all under the guise of being safer and better for the environment. There is a reason the large automakers are starting to rebrand and shift to being “mobility as a service providers” or whatever bks they are calling it.
The future is an autonomous pod, owned by GM/Ford/Toyota that you rent from them on a per journey basis.
The forced adoption of EVs is only the start.
Using those autonomous pods for local journeys at low speed only. Everything over a prescribed distance will be the domain of public transport: buses or trains. This is where trends are pointing unless there's a revolution.Enjoy it while it last - we’ll be regulated out of personal transport and in to shared, autonomous, EV pods before we know it, all under the guise of being safer and better for the environment. There is a reason the large automakers are starting to rebrand and shift to being “mobility as a service providers” or whatever b
ks they are calling it.The future is an autonomous pod, owned by GM/Ford/Toyota that you rent from them on a per journey basis.
The forced adoption of EVs is only the start.
Sorry to be a miserable old git but that's my view of the future. Certainly puts any concerns about private car modifications into perspective. You won't even own a car to modify
- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
DodgyGeezer said:
oh and travel will only be allowed if you have:
- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
Sarcastic or not, that's a good point...- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
The 'great reset' is happening all around us. Political change is insidious and the results can be grim. None of your points would be alien in China today. And China is about to take first place of the global powers with all the influence that carries.
Interesting times
bigothunter said:
DodgyGeezer said:
oh and travel will only be allowed if you have:
- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
Sarcastic or not, that's a good point...- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
The 'great reset' is happening all around us. Political change is insidious and the results can be grim. None of your points would be alien in China today. And China is about to take first place of the global powers with all the influence that carries.
Interesting times
bigothunter said:
DodgyGeezer said:
oh and travel will only be allowed if you have:
- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
Sarcastic or not, that's a good point...- good reason to go more than 30 minutes away from where you live
- enough 'social credits' to travel
- holidays abroad? Nope - verboten in the 'great reset'
The 'great reset' is happening all around us. Political change is insidious and the results can be grim. None of your points would be alien in China today. And China is about to take first place of the global powers with all the influence that carries.
Interesting times
bigothunter said:
Just drawing the analogy with annual Certificate of Airworthiness checks. Cars are an anomaly in the UK transport sector by permitting non-compliance. Germany and several other European countries only allow certified modifications to cars (TUEV approval).
I can't believe modifiers or cowboy testers will be allowed this latitude for much longer. It is simply out of step with the way motoring regulation and cars are going.
But that's just my view - let's see how matters develop
UK Permit to Fly aircraft & uncontrolled airspace are exactly the sort of freedoms that motorists are being deprived of here I’d say. Not that I’m surprised either (sadly).I can't believe modifiers or cowboy testers will be allowed this latitude for much longer. It is simply out of step with the way motoring regulation and cars are going.
But that's just my view - let's see how matters develop
andrebar said:
UK Permit to Fly aircraft & uncontrolled airspace are exactly the sort of freedoms that motorists are being deprived of here I’d say. Not that I’m surprised either (sadly).
BGA dropped a clanger by missing Permit to Fly...Even 10 years ago, every year saw diminished Uncontrolled Airspace as the skies got busier. Makes life difficult when you rely on thermals to go cross-country.
Restrictions are tightening everywhere but none so fast as motoring. Current trends are new territory
From debate yesterday ish:
" I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."
TX.
" I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."
TX.
Terminator X said:
From debate yesterday ish:
" I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."
TX.
Brilliant. Thanks VAG " I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."
TX.
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