Modifying to be illegal?

[grudas]

I presume you guys realize that exhaust noise is already regulated ? and I've known people who got pulled for that, got issues at their MOT's etc.

this has nothing to do with it.

its literally emissions(harmful for your health not your feelings) and tampering with systems like tesla auto-pilot etc - which I'm supportive of and I agree they should be regulated.

[otolith]

A Winner Is You said:

Not just that, there was a Harley rider next to me at the lights today revving his engine and the noise was utterly horrendous. So loud it wasn't just drowning out my stereo but that you could feel the vibrations. That is the type of thing that should be clamped down on. Imagine having to live on the same street as that.

South Park

[Terminator X]

trails said:

Terminator X said:

From debate yesterday ish:

" I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."

TX.

Full quote...gives a bit more context rather than turning this into tabloid quote..

"We need clarification of what is classed as tampering. Good tampering should not be made an offence. I am a believer in climate change and that we must act to mitigate its worst effects. I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust. If a system creates just a little more noise than first intended but does not break current noise regulations, that is fine, but we must have regard to climate change and look after our planet."

I was on the phone + I don't see that your "full quote" changes anything there.

TX.

[liner33]

CarCrazyDad said:

Sorry, didn't see this post

As I said sir, everything is crackable

Everything, sooner or later, it may take 6 months, it may take a year

Even the latest generation BMW ECUs can be unlocked for remapping now

Yes they can but the ONLY place is a company in Russia you need to remove your £3000 ecu and post it uninsured and then on return you can then access it to remap via obd . I call that a very successful lockdown method it’s going to be far from the mainstream driveway mappers nowadays to a very specialist and risky process.

Of course there will be aftermarket solutions ie the replacing of ecus or the fitting of tuning boxes but legislation can easily deal with that

[Olivera]

liner33 said:

Of course there will be aftermarket solutions ie the replacing of ecus or the fitting of tuning boxes but legislation can easily deal with that

Legislation is utterly meaningless unless there are traffic cars on the road to spot and deal with infringements (noise, excessive tailpipe soot etc) as they occur. Unfortunately most police forces have severely cut traffic car numbers in recent years, so good luck with that.

More stringent MOT checks are pointless when someone can simply drive out the MOT, then enable pops-and-bangs, enable a different map, bolt-on the aftermarket exhaust, bolt on the aftermarket bike can, and so on, and that's without even considering the vast amount of 'bent' or 'look the other way' MOT stations about.

[CarCrazyDad]

liner33 said:

Yes they can but the ONLY place is a company in Russia you need to remove your £3000 ecu and post it uninsured and then on return you can then access it to remap via obd . I call that a very successful lockdown method it’s going to be far from the mainstream driveway mappers nowadays to a very specialist and risky process.

Of course there will be aftermarket solutions ie the replacing of ecus or the fitting of tuning boxes but legislation can easily deal with that

Irrespective of which any Russian will find a way of licensing and other companies will be working on it too, and the latest generation only being out for a short time period, in 2-3 years things will be much more open I'm sure

My point being that nothing is uncrackable

[M4cruiser]

Pops and bangs will go out of fashion soon.
A few years ago the young Golf drivers would never want an automatic, but now it's cool to have a DSG. The change didn't happen overnight, but it has happened. Manuals are so "yesterday".

I think the silent electric cars will bring a new era, programmable engine noise, most of which will be quiet whining noises, or a burble. No need for anything too loud when everything else is silent.

[liner33]

Olivera said:

Legislation is utterly meaningless unless there are traffic cars on the road to spot and deal with infringements (noise, excessive tailpipe soot etc) as they occur. Unfortunately most police forces have severely cut traffic car numbers in recent years, so good luck with that.

More stringent MOT checks are pointless when someone can simply drive out the MOT, then enable pops-and-bangs, enable a different map, bolt-on the aftermarket exhaust, bolt on the aftermarket bike can, and so on, and that's without even considering the vast amount of 'bent' or 'look the other way' MOT stations about.

Look at what they are doing in the US before saying that legislation doesn’t work , ban the selling of items with massive fines for doing so

It’s like the banning of handguns , of course you can never stop 100% but that is never the goal

[trails]

Terminator X said:

trails said:

Terminator X said:

From debate yesterday ish:

" I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust."

TX.

Full quote...gives a bit more context rather than turning this into tabloid quote..

"We need clarification of what is classed as tampering. Good tampering should not be made an offence. I am a believer in climate change and that we must act to mitigate its worst effects. I therefore start from the premise that tampering with any part of the system that can increase the original vehicle’s emissions is wrong and should be discouraged. That may include the mapping of cars, which can dump fuel to create popping from the exhaust. If a system creates just a little more noise than first intended but does not break current noise regulations, that is fine, but we must have regard to climate change and look after our planet."

I was on the phone + I don't see that your "full quote" changes anything there.

TX.

Then I would suggest you think a little harder, as context is everything.

[NMNeil]

liner33 said:

Look at what they are doing in the US before saying that legislation doesn’t work , ban the selling of items with massive fines for doing so

It’s like the banning of handguns , of course you can never stop 100% but that is never the goal

Not just selling the items but they are hammering the garages that fit them.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/busi...
and they are even going after those who tamper with the ECU.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/23833/epa-fines-tuni...

[DodgyGeezer]

NMNeil said:

Not just selling the items but they are hammering the garages that fit them.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/busi...
and they are even going after those who tamper with the ECU.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/23833/epa-fines-tuni...

but still happy to sell weapons to just about anyone that wants one.... weird country

[NMNeil]

DodgyGeezer said:

but still happy to sell weapons to just about anyone that wants one.... weird country

Doing pretty well yourselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/uk-r...

[BS62]

NMNeil said:

DodgyGeezer said:

but still happy to sell weapons to just about anyone that wants one.... weird country

Doing pretty well yourselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/uk-r...

Good point. We really only have ourselves to blame for the UK-wide epidemic of our kids bombing local schools from the Typhoons their parents bought at Sainsburys.

[trails]

BS62 said:

Good point. We really only have ourselves to blame for the UK-wide epidemic of our kids bombing local schools from the Typhoons their parents bought at Sainsburys.

[otolith]

BS62 said:

NMNeil said:

DodgyGeezer said:

but still happy to sell weapons to just about anyone that wants one.... weird country

Doing pretty well yourselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/06/uk-r...

Good point. We really only have ourselves to blame for the UK-wide epidemic of our kids bombing local schools from the Typhoons their parents bought at Sainsburys.

I've heard that we've been selling weaponised French Bulldogs to the Saudis. Apparently the parachute effect of their ears allows them to be dropped on the enemy from low altitude.

[havoc]

otolith said:

I've heard that we've been selling weaponised French Bulldogs to the Saudis. Apparently the parachute effect of their ears allows them to be dropped on the enemy from low altitude.

The young ones were especially dangerous...