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therealsamdailly said:

martynr said:

I had a 2.0 Manuel. It was not un economical. You could not really expect much from an engine made in the nineties. It is actually an American model and was built there. It felt rather tired at 150k so got rid for £230 around 5 years ago. Beong advertised as family car with 2 doors and coupé, seriously?

£230 is not far off the deposit I've just put on the black 2.0 auto

I had a 2.0 SE Executive saloon from the same time, although the Euro model it was all very similar. I paid £400 for it from that place at Keighly, ran it from 110k to ~160k in two years and got scrap for it, it later had a big MOT fail. It was capable of 40mpg without being too careful, although it did have the Spanish gearbox. Lovely car, really enjoyed owning it.

[Emeye]

ManfredvonRichthofen said:

I love this



Dealer was looking for £22,500 for it. Sold at ACA auction in 2020 for £10k. Now up for auction

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/auctions/1977-merc...

Apologies - I realise it’s not Friday

I love that too.

[Emeye]

CAPP0 said:

Emeye said:

bolidemichael said:

According to stickleback, these bummed the reputation of Jag to death, which seems a firm bar for acceptance within the barge thread.

I reckon a cheap, working 2.5 or 3.0L 4WD V6 version might make a decent winter snotter with winter tyres on it. Otherwise, bummed.

Or, drop the faux pretension and buy a real Mondeo

Did they do a 4x4 Mundayo? If they did they must be pretty rare, as I do not ever recall seeing one. Maybe think of it as a cheaper Quattro alternative built out of more Ford parts wrapped in a weird faux Jaguar skin. Or maybe don't.

ETA - it seems they did, and this was the predecessor of the drivetrain for the X-type
https://www.classicfordmag.co.uk/features/fords-fo...

Edited by Emeye on Wednesday 24th November 17:20

[Cascade360]

Current inflated AutoTrader prices; are cars selling at these prices?

The reason I ask is that this car here - https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/cl500-2005.278... - sold for 3.5k, which appears a bargain given the mileage/year/service history compared to the cars I can see on AT - yet required a price drop to sell.

[anonymous-user]

Dross is selling at the inflated prices - Focuses and stuff like that - but I really don't think ropey old barges are. I keep an eye on the market for S600s and it's the same cars on there for months on end, with maybe one more joining the list every month at a comical price.

[CAPP0]

Emeye said:

CAPP0 said:

Emeye said:

bolidemichael said:

According to stickleback, these bummed the reputation of Jag to death, which seems a firm bar for acceptance within the barge thread.

I reckon a cheap, working 2.5 or 3.0L 4WD V6 version might make a decent winter snotter with winter tyres on it. Otherwise, bummed.

Or, drop the faux pretension and buy a real Mondeo

Did they do a 4x4 Mundayo? If they did they must be pretty rare, as I do not ever recall seeing one. Maybe think of it as a cheaper Quattro alternative built out of more Ford parts wrapped in a weird faux Jaguar skin. Or maybe don't.

ETA - it seems they did, and this was the predecessor of the drivetrain for the X-type

Edited by Emeye on Wednesday 24th November 16:00

That wasn't aimed personally, btw!! Generic response.

I remember an old school friend coming round to proudly show me his new S Type some years ago, we went out in it and I said "hmm, not bad these Mondeos, are they?". He wasn't impressed! (I know the S is not a Mondeo, but still worth ribbing!).

[ian316]

martynr said:

ian316 said:

Krikkit said:

That's a nice looking thing, totally anonymous.

There's a V6 one on eBay as well - sadly it's silver, but otherwise looks pretty good... Although the seller's claim that it's "stunning" is perhaps a reach: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324852527360

Aren't these that thirsty that you may as well go all in and get a fully loaded legend if you want a Honda?

I had a 2.0 Manuel. It was not un economical. You could not really expect much from an engine made in the nineties. It is actually an American model and was built there. It felt rather tired at 150k so got rid for £230 around 5 years ago. Beong advertised as family car with 2 doors and coupé, seriously?

A 2ltr manual wouldn't be to bad but this silver one is a 3ltr auto which I know will never be that economical but these are supposed to be terrible

[ian316]

Cascade360 said:

Current inflated AutoTrader prices; are cars selling at these prices?

The reason I ask is that this car here - https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/cl500-2005.278... - sold for 3.5k, which appears a bargain given the mileage/year/service history compared to the cars I can see on AT - yet required a price drop to sell.

Look at fuel prices and ask yourself who wants a 5ltr+ car at the moment in fact any 3ltr+ car, Then add in complicated suspension which has tons of Internet horror stories most of which have relatively cheap fixes now and you have your answer, Just get one you'll love it or wait 6 mths until I get bored and want a smaller car and a motorbike again

[Cascade360]

ian316 said:

Look at fuel prices and ask yourself who wants a 5ltr+ car at the moment in fact any 3ltr+ car, Then add in complicated suspension which has tons of Internet horror stories most of which have relatively cheap fixes now and you have your answer, Just get one you'll love it or wait 6 mths until I get bored and want a smaller car and a motorbike again

If I could get a nice looking one with decent history for 3.5k a la that ad I'd be in. Ropey looking one at 5/6k is less appealing ...

[ian316]

Cascade360 said:

If I could get a nice looking one with decent history for 3.5k a la that ad I'd be in. Ropey looking one at 5/6k is less appealing ...

5/6k I'd be wanting a decent one are you on any of the owners pages/club sites?

[Cascade360]

ian316 said:

5/6k I'd be wanting a decent one are you on any of the owners pages/club sites?

I joined the FB page this morning but it doesn't look likely the place to find a decent car. will keep an eye on the MB UK classifieds ...

[ian316]

Cascade360 said:

ian316 said:

5/6k I'd be wanting a decent one are you on any of the owners pages/club sites?

I joined the FB page this morning but it doesn't look likely the place to find a decent car. will keep an eye on the MB UK classifieds ...

I've just had a quick look on gumtree there are a few on there under 4k with supposed fsh a really nice blue one in Whitechapel, I just put in mercedes cl500 and left the search on national

[Cascade360]

ian316 said:

I've just had a quick look on gumtree there are a few on there under 4k with supposed fsh a really nice blue one in Whitechapel, I just put in mercedes cl500 and left the search on national

The W reg one? Think i need a bit later to be ulez compliant. Also does the general rule of dont buy a pre 2003 MB due to corrosion issues apply to these?

[ian316]

Cascade360 said:

ian316 said:

I've just had a quick look on gumtree there are a few on there under 4k with supposed fsh a really nice blue one in Whitechapel, I just put in mercedes cl500 and left the search on national

The W reg one? Think i need a bit later to be ulez compliant. Also does the general rule of dont buy a pre 2003 MB due to corrosion issues apply to these?

Right I didn't know about the ulez thing for you, No the front wings are some sort of composite and the main body is aluminium and most of the suspension is alloy

[Krikkit]

Cascade360 said:

ian316 said:

I've just had a quick look on gumtree there are a few on there under 4k with supposed fsh a really nice blue one in Whitechapel, I just put in mercedes cl500 and left the search on national

The W reg one? Think i need a bit later to be ulez compliant. Also does the general rule of dont buy a pre 2003 MB due to corrosion issues apply to these?

I thought they'd all be EU4, but apparently you need a post-October 2002 car

[ian316]

Krikkit said:

I thought they'd all be EU4, but apparently you need a post-October 2002 car

What actually changed?

[anonymous-user]

ian316 said:

Krikkit said:

I thought they'd all be EU4, but apparently you need a post-October 2002 car

What actually changed?

The DVLA computer says "Yes" instead of saying "No" .

At the very least it looks like the exhaust systems are different, I'm seeing four different verisons for EU spec cars;
upto june 2000 cars
from July 2000 to sept 2002 (facelift)
I'm then showing one for cars sept 2002 onwards, but also a separate one entirely for Code 926/EU4 cars... And this is just the different options for exhaust down pipes

I'm guessing in reality most if not all cars after the facelift have the 926/EU4 code (merc claimed in their marketing materials that all facelift 215 engines were EU4 complaint). There is a chance some cars may have come with might have come before the facelift but you'd need to check the chassis number against the build sheet codes to apply to get ULEZ exemption if that was the case.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th November 20:07

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 24th November 20:09

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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

essdaytwelve said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Krikkit said:

paddycam said:

I know that even by barge standards these have the potential for big bills, but they do seem to offer an awful lot for the money.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133920593530?hash=item1...

If you could get rid of the drug dealer tints that would be a fabulous looking thing. Are they so expensive to run in V8 form? Not the W12 nightmare.

I'm pretty sure they're still pretty horrific. They are certainly handsome things though, I've always had a soft spot for them.

The V8 petrols get teens mpg. That’s why they’re cheap than the equivalent diesel.

But at least with a V8 petrol you get a V8 petrol instead of a pretty dreary, stinky diesel

1. MacronMode

To be fair there’s little difference in performance, ideally a LPG petrol.

[Macron]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021101384...

Citroën C5 3.0 45k on it and 2k. Lovely jubbly.

[bolidemichael]

The dash to axle ratio in combination with those bin lid hubcaps makes the proposition a ridiculous one.