The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 6)
Discussion
tdm34 said:
InitialDave said:
mac96 said:
As soon as anyone mentions a bicycle in a thread I stop reading, you just know where it will go.
Through a red light?(Sorry)
from me too...especially as I had two of them do that yesterday in Birmingham (pedestrian crossings) in the space of 2 or 3 minutes.
It’s being discussed elsewhere, but figure it belongs on this thread!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
Indecision said:
It’s being discussed elsewhere, but figure it belongs on this thread!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
Is there an interesting moment somewhere?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
saaby93 said:
Indecision said:
It’s being discussed elsewhere, but figure it belongs on this thread!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
Is there an interesting moment somewhere?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
What I did find offputting though was the music playing inside the car...not the type of music but the fact that it is playing at all. I noticed the driver turned it down to speak to the marshall at the end.
If that was me I would be concentrating on my own and other peoples driving and listening to my car, so would find any kind of music blaring away inside the car a distraction.
saaby93 said:
Indecision said:
It’s being discussed elsewhere, but figure it belongs on this thread!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
Is there an interesting moment somewhere?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lmaD-j9YY
t driving bit nailed.I will save the link as an answer for when people ask me why I don’t bother with trackways anymore.
JaredVannett said:
0:43 - Mr Lister at it again
Jeez, diving up in the inside of people and then getting in a strop - its the bike equivalent of dheads using the leftmost lanes of roundabouts to overtake and then getting "cut off" by someone trying to exit.Read the effin road, no point being dead right
saaby93 said:
JaredVannett said:
0:43 - Mr Lister at it again
Another set of bikes on a death wish?Drivers arent looking in mirrors 100% of the time or they wouldnt be able to see where theyre going
Do the bikes know whats behind them?
The first one, getting angry because the other mopedist was exercising a bit of caution crossing the lane at a junction? Just get on with your day.
havoc said:
I think there's one key difference...your average law abiding person doesn't go out waving a lethal weapon around carelessly.
...so outside of the workplace (where H&S has thankfully made fatal accidents rather rare), driving a car is pretty much the only way your average person could seriously hurt or kill another human being.
...and in (probably) 99.9% of KSI incidents, there is no INTENT to hurt someone else. And that is the key differentiator from a court's perspective.
- Manslaughter cases almost always involve someone using a weapon AND/OR premeditated intent to harm.
- Death-by-dangerous driving IS (as posted above) an accident caused by (very) poor judgement/behaviour/inattention while controlling 1.5t of fast-moving machinery.
Whether there should be greater consequences is still a good question (custodial and/or extended bans), and arguably that should/could go hand in hand with regular re-testing, graduated licences and life-long learning, similar to what you'd see in a workplace while controlling dangerous machinery.
IANAL but I did study it many, many years ago, I don't think the bold bit is correct. Manslaughter is killing someone expressly without the intent. If there's intent then by default it's murder....so outside of the workplace (where H&S has thankfully made fatal accidents rather rare), driving a car is pretty much the only way your average person could seriously hurt or kill another human being.
...and in (probably) 99.9% of KSI incidents, there is no INTENT to hurt someone else. And that is the key differentiator from a court's perspective.
- Manslaughter cases almost always involve someone using a weapon AND/OR premeditated intent to harm.
- Death-by-dangerous driving IS (as posted above) an accident caused by (very) poor judgement/behaviour/inattention while controlling 1.5t of fast-moving machinery.
Whether there should be greater consequences is still a good question (custodial and/or extended bans), and arguably that should/could go hand in hand with regular re-testing, graduated licences and life-long learning, similar to what you'd see in a workplace while controlling dangerous machinery.
jimmytheone said:
Jailed for 3 yrs, 4 months (and a driving ban for 3yrs 8 months - WTF, i've never understood why someone jailed should also conveniently serve a driving ban while locked up).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914595/...
As others have mentioned I find it incredible the camera car didn't stop.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10914595/...
But also incredible that they didn't seem to take any evasive action at all when they must've seen the over-taking van and the car approaching. Hard on the brakes and give them space to pull in? Was visibility that bad?
I just don't understand it.
Hackney said:
As others have mentioned I find it incredible the camera car didn't stop.
But also incredible that they didn't seem to take any evasive action at all when they must've seen the over-taking van and the car approaching. Hard on the brakes and give them space to pull in? Was visibility that bad?
I just don't understand it.
This assumes that the cam car was looking in their rear view mirror watching the situation unfold. For one thing they wouldn't have been expecting anybody stupid enough to overtake them at that point, and for another we all know that the majority of drivers rarely look in their rear view mirrors.But also incredible that they didn't seem to take any evasive action at all when they must've seen the over-taking van and the car approaching. Hard on the brakes and give them space to pull in? Was visibility that bad?
I just don't understand it.
None of us will know what the forward view and spatial awareness of the cam car driver was at precise moment, but I think it is wrong to apportion any blame at all to the cam car driver.
Edited by Ron240 on Sunday 19th June 17:49
Hackney said:
IANAL but I did study it many, many years ago, I don't think the bold bit is correct. Manslaughter is killing someone expressly without the intent. If there's intent then by default it's murder.
I'll bow to your knowledge then...mine is entirely lay-knowledge and assumption.Either way I'll stand by the sentiment...barring those rare occasions where some muppet sets out to use their car as a weapon, a motor vehicle is not explicitly designed or intended to cause harm. So excepting those occasions, Death-by-Dangerous feels more appropriate than manslaughter.
Edit: Just found this...very helpful...
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
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