The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 6)

[5s Alive]

High profile tyre makes an excellent trampoline!

[Durzel]

havoc said:

P1Fanatic said:

Wowser - Bo & Luke would be impressed by that. I still cant comprehend how that car managed to launch like it hit a huge ramp.

At a guess, the wheel was still rolling forwards at quite a rate, so when the front bumper of the car hit the back of the wheel, the wheel's rotation 'lifted' the bumper up with it as it rolled (some sort of grip between tyre and bumper, possibly by treads, possibly by 'grabbing' the number plate / top of the radiator intake, or possibly just friction*), which then put the front undertray in contact for the same rotational 'pull'...and from that point the car was toast.



* the car and wheel were travelling different speeds. To near-instantly align their speeds, either the wheel needed to be 'pushed' along the road (i.e. skidding the part of the wheel in contact with the road - high-friction event), or the car needed to shed the difference (won't happen as wheel too light), or the car needed to ride-up-and-over a wheel which was rotating in the right way to assist that.

Think you've nailed it.

The tyre can only really compress so much and it's far easier for the forces involved to be communicated in the form of the car travelling up and over the wheel violently. The fact the tyre is rotating in the same direction as the car is travelling obviously helps too, if the car had just hit a tyre lying on its side I wouldn't expect quite the same outcome - though quite possibly it would still launch it a bit.

t really did get some massive air but you don't really get a sense of how fast everything is moving from the camera angle.

Another of the same ilk at the start of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvGieyPhLb4

Edited by Durzel on Monday 27th March 14:57

[PhillipM]

it happens a lot when a car hits the back of another cars wheel. I think it's very easy for most people to seriously underestimate the sheer amount of power/energy in a car or tyre even at fairly normal speeds.

[Dark85]

https://twitter.com/vidsthatgohard/status/16404176...

[James6112]

Franco5 said:

carlove said:

Probably a light sentence really, not sure what went on before the footage, but from the report, and the video I'm guessing old man Kadjar driver took exception to biker filtering, words exchanged, then a "mirror slap", then this act of lunacy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/17/moment...

Love this but heartbreaking that the tracky wearing parasite wasn’t badly injured. Hopefully his dirt bike provides him with a life changer in the future.

Worth remembering Franco5

[ro250]

James6112 said:

Franco5 said:

carlove said:

Probably a light sentence really, not sure what went on before the footage, but from the report, and the video I'm guessing old man Kadjar driver took exception to biker filtering, words exchanged, then a "mirror slap", then this act of lunacy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/17/moment...

Love this but heartbreaking that the tracky wearing parasite wasn’t badly injured. Hopefully his dirt bike provides him with a life changer in the future.

Worth remembering Franco5

What did the "tracky wearing parasite" do? It's not shown in the clip. If he hit the drivers mirror then it's hardly proportionate to chase him down a dirt track and ram him. The driver is an out control lunatic.

[Krikkit]

ro250 said:

What did the "tracky wearing parasite" do? It's not shown in the clip. If he hit the drivers mirror then it's hardly proportionate to chase him down a dirt track and ram him. The driver is an out control lunatic.

Thankfully the judge agrees with you - even if he did slap his mirror (imho justified if you swerve at a bike to stop them coming past you), there's no justification for such a sequence of reckless driving.

[julian64]

havoc said:

GiantCardboardPlato said:

The fact the driver was sentenced to time in prison suggests to me its pretty unlikely the response was provoked in any way, let alone warranted.

Not necessarily. The courts have always taken a dim view of people taking the law into their own hands, as it apparently undermines our law and enforcement system (you may say they're already doing a good job of that). Similar to PTCOJ.


As for slapping the wingmirror - if that was in response to the chap swerving out, then arguably it was provoked and the biker was blameless. Probably a young cocky oik (we've all been there!), but still blameless.

Blameless seems a bit of an assumption to me. Gone are the days when busting someone's wingmirror was a case of going down the local car dump and chucking a fiver at the proprietor. Getting a replacement wing mirror, putting it on including painting is going to be about £1000 for most modern mid range cars. Not very proportionate for a biker who feels wronged. I recently had this on a BMW where two wing mirrors touched down a country lane. It was the lightest touch but broken a small metal spine holding the wingmirror on, and can you guess that BMW didn't sell it as a separate item.

If it were your wingmirror I can't see your cheeky chappy attitude surviving long.

Also I would like to point out I've been a biker for over twenty years and I don't think I've ever had someone pull out of a straight line intentionally to block me. I've had a lot pull out with mistimed lane changes, or poor observation, but no one do it intentionally. I think people who do this intentionally wouldn't have got far in their driving career before coming to grief, and on any normal commute would be doing it once or twice a minute, so for an old chap with a long driving career to have done this out of the blue is a little unbelievable for me. I'm not making any assumptions here about who was to blame for starting it.

[Krikkit]

julian64 said:

Blameless seems a bit of an assumption to me. Gone are the days when busting someone's wingmirror was a case of going down the local car dump and chucking a fiver at the proprietor. Getting a replacement wing mirror, putting it on including painting is going to be about £1000 for most modern mid range cars. Not very proportionate for a biker who feels wronged. I recently had this on a BMW where two wing mirrors touched down a country lane. It was the lightest touch but broken a small metal spine holding the wingmirror on, and can you guess that BMW didn't sell it as a separate item.

If it were your wingmirror I can't see your cheeky chappy attitude surviving long.

Also I would like to point out I've been a biker for over twenty years and I don't think I've ever had someone pull out of a straight line intentionally to block me. I've had a lot pull out with mistimed lane changes, or poor observation, but no one do it intentionally. I think people who do this intentionally wouldn't have got far in their driving career before coming to grief, and on any normal commute would be doing it once or twice a minute, so for an old chap with a long driving career to have done this out of the blue is a little unbelievable for me. I'm not making any assumptions here about who was to blame for starting it.

Biffing a mirror so it folds itself back is a far cry from being able to hit it hard enough to break it (is that even possible?)

I've only been biking a few years, but people round here at least really hate filtering, I've had two attempts to try and force me into opposing traffic, one cutting off with a central island like in the video.

Edited by Krikkit on Wednesday 29th March 10:52

[ro250]

julian64 said:

havoc said:

GiantCardboardPlato said:

The fact the driver was sentenced to time in prison suggests to me its pretty unlikely the response was provoked in any way, let alone warranted.

Not necessarily. The courts have always taken a dim view of people taking the law into their own hands, as it apparently undermines our law and enforcement system (you may say they're already doing a good job of that). Similar to PTCOJ.


As for slapping the wingmirror - if that was in response to the chap swerving out, then arguably it was provoked and the biker was blameless. Probably a young cocky oik (we've all been there!), but still blameless.

Blameless seems a bit of an assumption to me. Gone are the days when busting someone's wingmirror was a case of going down the local car dump and chucking a fiver at the proprietor. Getting a replacement wing mirror, putting it on including painting is going to be about £1000 for most modern mid range cars. Not very proportionate for a biker who feels wronged. I recently had this on a BMW where two wing mirrors touched down a country lane. It was the lightest touch but broken a small metal spine holding the wingmirror on, and can you guess that BMW didn't sell it as a separate item.

If it were your wingmirror I can't see your cheeky chappy attitude surviving long.

Also I would like to point out I've been a biker for over twenty years and I don't think I've ever had someone pull out of a straight line intentionally to block me. I've had a lot pull out with mistimed lane changes, or poor observation, but no one do it intentionally. I think people who do this intentionally wouldn't have got far in their driving career before coming to grief, and on any normal commute would be doing it once or twice a minute, so for an old chap with a long driving career to have done this out of the blue is a little unbelievable for me. I'm not making any assumptions here about who was to blame for starting it.

A biker knocking someone's wing mirror off = out of order and out of proportion
A driver chasing a biker and ramming them, genuinely putting their life at risk = wildly disproportionate

Neither is acceptable but only one could realistically have killed someone.

[julian64]

ro250 said:

A biker knocking someone's wing mirror off = out of order and out of proportion
A driver chasing a biker and ramming them, genuinely putting their life at risk = wildly disproportionate

Neither is acceptable but only one could realistically have killed someone.

My comments weren't a overall judgement on who was the worst offender, just a comment on the biker being blameless

[P1Fanatic]

Anyone know what happened to the YT channel Idiot UK Drivers Exposed? I was going to post one of their vids as my boss was in the very first clip of their 3rd compilation during some carnage on the M4 thanks to a white van driver who seemingly feel asleep.

[havoc]

Krikkit said:

Biffing a mirror so it folds itself back is a far cry from being able to hit it hard enough to break it (is that even possible?)

Julian - this was my thoughts when I wrote.

Hitting a mirror hard enough to break it, even with a biking gauntlet, is probably more likely to break the biker's hand.


Not biking, but driving/overtaking - i've probably had a dozen instances I can recall (over 20++ years) where someone has closed a gap to baulk me mid-overtake. Same principle - road-captain behaviour hanging you out to dry on the wrong side of the road.

[Mammasaid]

P1Fanatic said:

Anyone know what happened to the YT channel Idiot UK Drivers Exposed? I was going to post one of their vids as my boss was in the very first clip of their 3rd compilation during some carnage on the M4 thanks to a white van driver who seemingly feel asleep.

https://www.youtube.com/@ExposedUKDashCams

[P1Fanatic]

Mammasaid said:

https://www.youtube.com/@ExposedUKDashCams

Different channel. I can find the channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@IdiotUKDriversExposed

but seems all the videos have been taken down / made private.

[Mammasaid]

P1Fanatic said:

Mammasaid said:

https://www.youtube.com/@ExposedUKDashCams

Different channel. I can find the channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@IdiotUKDriversExposed

but seems all the videos have been taken down / made private.

I think these are them on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/?loca...

[P1Fanatic]

Mammasaid said:

I think these are them on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/?loca...

Yep seems they are FB only now. This was the vid I was looking for:

https://www.facebook.com/Idiotukdriversmedia/video...

My boss was in the Silver Merc C class in lane 2. The van driver did stop further down the road. Looks to me like falling asleep at the wheel as takes a while before they even hit the brakes.

[J4CKO]

CalisenQX said:

Saleen836 said:

The following popped up on my FB.....
https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/23400325.m4-...

The comments on FB mostly said why were none of the lane hoggers fined? or not excusing the speed but if the other car hadn't been lane hogging the van would not need to undertake

This x100. Root cause of the problem is middle lane hoggers, sort that out and then undertaking wouldn’t be a thing. Will never happen though.

Need to get rid of the stupid "Undertaking" rule, as there is a whole swathe of complete trumpets on the road who take the right lane, especially on dual carriageways and sit in it, often below the speed limit to prevent anyone passing, or just in a dream world.

Now, it really doesnt matter other than its annoying, I still manage to get where I am going despite being sat behind the Mercedes GLF 220 CDI something or other doing 52 mph in the outside lane of the local bypass but, if you arent overtaking fk off back to the left lane. See them do it all the way down and only relinquish dominating the right lane when, at the last minute they job into the left lane, invaiably without indicating to turn left at the next
roundabout.

Americans seem to manage with cars passing both sides without killing each other (and they love a reason to do that) you have a mirror on both sides and folk seem to 90% percent of the time check when something is coming by on the right, so not sure where the certain death thing comes from when a car comes past on the left ? If something goes by on the right (if able as they arent blocking the lane for no reason) then thats cool, come past on the left then its hurty feelings, horn and light show in some cases, maybe even a bit of road rage "Undertaking is bad and naughty, a Policeman will come and put you in prison !".

My thinking is, if there is space to get past on the left and you have made no attempt to go back to that lane for ages, then you are in the wrong lane and its fair game.

[Krikkit]

J4CKO said:

Need to get rid of the stupid "Undertaking" rule, as there is a whole swathe of complete trumpets on the road who take the right lane, especially on dual carriageways and sit in it, often below the speed limit to prevent anyone passing, or just in a dream world.

100% - if there's room to safely undertake then you should be allowed to imho, because there's way too much of it going on these days, it feels like more than ever.

There's a section of 50mph dual carriageway up near me, and the amount of people that immediately just jump in the outside lane for a right-filter that's at least 2-3 miles away is insane. Completely oblivious to proper behaviour.

Edited by Krikkit on Thursday 30th March 09:05

[P1Fanatic]

I'm not sure I would use the US as the benchmark of using any lane - seen lots of clips of crazy crashes caused by lane switching. But agree that middle & outside lane hoggers are the scourge of UK dual carriageways and motorways. With all the increased traffic levels and roadworks one persons selfishness / lack of awareness can cause tailbacks very quickly. It always amazes me you can be in lane 1, move into 2 then 3 to overtake someone in lane 2 then pull all the way back to lane 1 and you can still see them sat in lane 2 until you can no longer see that far back in your rear view mirror. These days I dont bother and just sail past slowly in lane 1 much to the wifes annoyance.

There is a big difference to keeping in lane 1 and going under cars in lane 2/3 vs starting in lane 3/2, getting frustrated and jumping to 2/1 to get around the vehicles holding you up and speeding in the process.