The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 6)
Discussion
essayer said:
Poor driving by both parties. The Tesla driver had a clear sightline to pass both, with the performance to allow it. The van driver has a wing mirror, and a shoulder he can turn to practice a 'life-saver' check (that could have been nasty if it were a bike passing on full throttle) The Tesla driver also has eyes, to see the indication, and pull back in and curse the van for not being aware of what's going off around him. 
Fermit said:
essayer said:
Poor driving by both parties. The Tesla driver had a clear sightline to pass both, with the performance to allow it. The van driver has a wing mirror, and a shoulder he can turn to practice a 'life-saver' check (that could have been nasty if it were a bike passing on full throttle) The Tesla driver also has eyes, to see the indication, and pull back in and curse the van for not being aware of what's going off around him. 
5s Alive said:
Difficult one. I'd say mostly the van driver for failing to check again before crossing the centreline. Tesla looks slow to react but is going from hard acceleration to braking with more kinetic energy to dissipate than from a steady speed. Had the van not indicated...
If you're driving a van with that much metal blind behind you're wing mirror, you're an idiot if you don't perform a life-saver before changing lanes. Once driving a similar size van I moved from lane 2 to lane one on the motorway. As moving left I couldn't perform said life-saver, so used the mirrors, and kept the left indicator on for a good 10 seconds before moving, so if anyone were daft enough to be undertaking a box van they'd know to get out of the way. When I moved left there was a massive bang, I genuinely thought I'd wiped someone out. I looked forward at that moment and saw the windscreen had been shattered by a stone. Fermit said:
If you're driving a van with that much metal blind behind you're wing mirror, you're an idiot if you don't perform a life-saver before changing lanes. Once driving a similar size van I moved from lane 2 to lane one on the motorway. As moving left I couldn't perform said life-saver, so used the mirrors, and kept the left indicator on for a good 10 seconds before moving, so if anyone were daft enough to be undertaking a box van they'd know to get out of the way. When I moved left there was a massive bang, I genuinely thought I'd wiped someone out. I looked forward at that moment and saw the windscreen had been shattered by a stone.
I have (only once in 48yrs) nearly pulled out on an overtaking motorbike. I didn't indicate! 4am, mid summer, heading into low sun and catching the only vehicle we'd encountered on our side of the road (Caddy van), 200+ metres past a long curve and now on a long straight. Checked mirrors, nothing, a few seconds later started to move/checked mirror and WTF! Bright green Kawasaki on my rear quarter. I barely moved but the biker nearly shat himself (going by the sign language), so did I. I remember that aborted overtake every time since and indicate absolutely everywhere with multiple mirror checks.It just didn't occur that anything could close the gap so quickly. Lesson learned.
5s Alive said:
I have (only once in 48yrs) nearly pulled out on an overtaking motorbike. I didn't indicate! 4am, mid summer, heading into low sun and catching the only vehicle we'd encountered on our side of the road (Caddy van), 200+ metres past a long curve and now on a long straight. Checked mirrors, nothing, a few seconds later started to move/checked mirror and WTF! Bright green Kawasaki on my rear quarter. I barely moved but the biker nearly shat himself (going by the sign language), so did I. I remember that aborted overtake every time since and indicate absolutely everywhere with multiple mirror checks.
It just didn't occur that anything could close the gap so quickly. Lesson learned.
The mistake you made is an extremely common one - moving then checking mirror instead of the other way around. I know you said you checked your mirrors a few seconds earlier but this is not the way to do it because as you found out motorbikes can easily close the gap in a few seconds.It just didn't occur that anything could close the gap so quickly. Lesson learned.
At least there was no harm done and you learned from the experience.
Fermit said:
5s Alive said:
Difficult one. I'd say mostly the van driver for failing to check again before crossing the centreline. Tesla looks slow to react but is going from hard acceleration to braking with more kinetic energy to dissipate than from a steady speed. Had the van not indicated...
If you're driving a van with that much metal blind behind you're wing mirror, you're an idiot if you don't perform a life-saver before changing lanes. Once driving a similar size van I moved from lane 2 to lane one on the motorway. As moving left I couldn't perform said life-saver, so used the mirrors, and kept the left indicator on for a good 10 seconds before moving, so if anyone were daft enough to be undertaking a box van they'd know to get out of the way. When I moved left there was a massive bang, I genuinely thought I'd wiped someone out. I looked forward at that moment and saw the windscreen had been shattered by a stone. Fermit said:
Impressive recovery by the van driverA very dull 20 seconds but I heard a bang outside today and noticed that one of the neighbours had sent out their daughter (currently having driving lessons) to move one car so they could get the other off the drive. She had to reverse to avoid their just emptied wheelie bins but didn't consider me and my immediate neighbour might also still have ours out.
Quality is a bit rubbish as it's a zoomed in CCTV image but she did come back and straighten the bins up again
Ron240 said:
he mistake you made is an extremely common one - moving then checking mirror instead of the other way around. I know you said you checked your mirrors a few seconds earlier but this is not the way to do it because as you found out motorbikes can easily close the gap in a few seconds.
At least there was no harm done and you learned from the experience.
Two mistakes, didn't indicate and moved/checked simultaneously which is not something I'm usually guilty of - or am I? Had the incident never occurred I would have claimed to always final check before moving.At least there was no harm done and you learned from the experience.
Fermit said:
Glassman said:
Fermit said:
I looked forward at that moment and saw the windscreen had been shattered by a stone.
Must have been a very big stone. Assuming you weren't driving something from the fifties, I'd say your windscreen was hit by something the size of a football or at least half a house brick to 'shatter' the windscreen.
Glassman said:
Modern, laminated windscreens don't really shatter like the old toughened versions did. They break very differently in that a polyvinyl butyral layer (sandwiched between to layers of glass) does a fairly good job of keeping everything together on impact; this is why stones are most likely to result in a 'chip' which might be in the shape of a star or what looks like the cross-section of a marble.
Assuming you weren't driving something from the fifties, I'd say your windscreen was hit by something the size of a football or at least half a house brick to 'shatter' the windscreen.
I remember as a kid being driven in my Mum's 1978 VW Polo through motorway roadworks. Truck in front kicked-up a stone (which must have been much smaller than half a housebrick to get kicked-up 3-4ft in the air), which did exactly that - the whole windscreen crazed-opaque for probably a couple of seconds, before falling in our laps in hundreds of pieces.Assuming you weren't driving something from the fifties, I'd say your windscreen was hit by something the size of a football or at least half a house brick to 'shatter' the windscreen.
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Nightmare said:
Tesla driver. Van indicated well in time and Tesla had easily enough time to brake and get back in the left lane imo
Yep, crap driving in the Tesla. Why not abort the overtake earlier and certainly when the indication started? We know from the footage that was possible. This is a common problem with people who can't drive - they seem to forget they have brakes and are determined to complete the overtake even if it forces oncoming drivers to brake or get off the road. The classic is when overtaking cyclists.More poor driving was committing when there was a gap visible on the right from before the first car was overtaken which the truck could have wanted (as it did) or someone or thing could have emerged from.
Unreal said:
Yep, crap driving in the Tesla. Why not abort the overtake earlier and certainly when the indication started? We know from the footage that was possible. This is a common problem with people who can't drive - they seem to forget they have brakes and are determined to complete the overtake even if it forces oncoming drivers to brake or get off the road. The classic is when overtaking cyclists.
More poor driving was committing when there was a gap visible on the right from before the first car was overtaken which the truck could have wanted (as it did) or someone or thing could have emerged from.
Yep. The number of times in dashcam clips you see someone pulling out / across and the cammer just continues same speed but moves onto other side of the road rather than reduce their speed.More poor driving was committing when there was a gap visible on the right from before the first car was overtaken which the truck could have wanted (as it did) or someone or thing could have emerged from.
Glassman said:
Fermit said:
Glassman said:
Fermit said:
I looked forward at that moment and saw the windscreen had been shattered by a stone.
Must have been a very big stone. Assuming you weren't driving something from the fifties, I'd say your windscreen was hit by something the size of a football or at least half a house brick to 'shatter' the windscreen.
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