Manufacturer Stingieness

Manufacturer Stingieness

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Nickbrapp

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4,263 posts

101 months

Monday 22nd November
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Something I’ve noticed over the last 6 months from having several hire vans and cars, which has got me thinking about how mean manufacturers are when it comes to little technology things.

Take my current Vauxhall vivaro, it’s the top of the range Elite with a on the road price of just over £35,000 but it’s not even got a option to have LED or xenon headlights, I can’t think of any other car that costs 35k with halogen lights

Then there’s even more tight-fisted things:

No tire pressuring monitoring
No Ad blue gauge
Headlight delay when unlocking but no follow me home
Global closing of the windows via the key but not opening

Now those are all things that are pretty standard stuff these days, not exactly outrageous options. How much does it really save to not have the tiny bit of programming to put windows down on the key? My 2001 bora had that!

Zippee

12,700 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd November
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Try buying a standard range rover, Audi, volvo etc
Unless you attack the options list then you'll get less standard kit than a corsa...


Jim the Sunderer

2,715 posts

153 months

Monday 22nd November
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No lumber support in the base model Jaguar XF seats. Leather and electrically adjustable though.

So stingy

Krikkit

22,547 posts

152 months

Monday 22nd November
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See also, every Porsche ever built... Their options list for a 911, for example, is scandalously bad.

Dingu

279 posts

1 month

Monday 22nd November
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Would we really prefer an extra £10k+ on base list for things we might not want?

Max M4X WW

4,555 posts

153 months

Monday 22nd November
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Back in 2011, my parents ordered an Audi A4 company car. It was an S-Line Black Edition so pretty much top of the range (excluding S, RS etc) and had the usual massive wheels, fancy interior, B&O stereo etc and had a list price of around 35k from memory.

When it arrived we realised we (or the dealer, who should have really suggested it IMO) missed a £150 option for interior lighting back which gave you a glovebox light (!!!) and lights in the sun visors.

I thought this sort of thing would be standard on a high spec, 'prestige' car costing £35k+!

Super Sonic

843 posts

25 months

Monday 22nd November
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This makes me feel old !

MonkeyMatt

6,790 posts

178 months

Monday 22nd November
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I recently bought a very standard car with no optional extras, the amount of st in it that I don't need is unreal! I wish new cars came with less crap not more!

n3il123

2,324 posts

184 months

Monday 22nd November
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Back in the early 90s a radio would be an option in a merc or audi.

Don't even mention electric rear windows or head rests!

normalbloke

5,105 posts

190 months

Monday 22nd November
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Max M4X WW said:
Back in 2011, my parents ordered an Audi A4 company car. It was an S-Line Black Edition so pretty much top of the range (excluding S, RS etc) and had the usual massive wheels, fancy interior, B&O stereo etc and had a list price of around 35k from memory.

When it arrived we realised we (or the dealer, who should have really suggested it IMO) missed a £150 option for interior lighting back which gave you a glovebox light (!!!) and lights in the sun visors.

I thought this sort of thing would be standard on a high spec, 'prestige' car costing £35k+!
But everyone knows S line is for those with champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.

Nickbrapp

Original Poster:

4,263 posts

101 months

Monday 22nd November
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Zippee said:
Try buying a standard range rover, Audi, volvo etc
Unless you attack the options list then you'll get less standard kit than a corsa...
But they are stingy, even the cheapest A1 has led headlights, cruise control etc

This is more about penny pinching not stuff missing I suppose.

Things like the old 1 series, you got cruise as standard on a 114i and then they took it off on the m140i. Why? It’s the same car!

Mikebentley

3,179 posts

111 months

Monday 22nd November
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Zippee said:
Try buying a standard range rover, Audi, volvo etc
Unless you attack the options list then you'll get less standard kit than a corsa...
New RR in lowest specification is loaded to the hilt. It should be for £95k though. I’ve noticed that Land Rover have streamlined the models available for the Defender to get the orders through. They have released an XS model with tons of kit. I did like the days of L, GL, GLS etc.

GranpaB

312 posts

7 months

Monday 22nd November
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There must be an Adblue gauge hidden in a menu somewhere maybe?

Monkeylegend

22,304 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd November
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MonkeyMatt said:
I recently bought a very standard car with no optional extras, the amount of st in it that I don't need is unreal! I wish new cars came with less crap not more!
I agree, all you need is a Dacia Sandero base model, and a perfectly fine car it is if you are not a badge snob.

Makes me smile when posters say a heated steering wheel is a must have deal breaker.

av185

14,371 posts

98 months

Monday 22nd November
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Krikkit said:
See also, every Porsche ever built... Their options list for a 911, for example, is scandalously bad.
Thats why they are underpriced and have glacial depreciation.

Wacky Racer

34,913 posts

218 months

Monday 22nd November
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GranpaB said:
There must be an Adblue gauge hidden in a menu somewhere maybe?
Sometimes a warning light flashes when it needs topping up, it does on my Insignia Grand Sport.

Burgerbob

434 posts

48 months

Monday 22nd November
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Unfortunately you get what you pay for in life.

Many vans are bought by businesses to move goods around. The lower spec model dues that just as well so why pay for creature comforts for the underpaid driver?

With cars, there is logic to having low spec models and then adding the options you want, and not paying for what you don't want. Although some manufacturers do remove some features during the cars life, this gets great initial media reviews for a well specced car, but keeps costs down in later years. Then, when the car is end of life, sell run out fully loaded specials.

av185

14,371 posts

98 months

Monday 22nd November
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normalbloke said:
Max M4X WW said:
Back in 2011, my parents ordered an Audi A4 company car. It was an S-Line Black Edition so pretty much top of the range (excluding S, RS etc) and had the usual massive wheels, fancy interior, B&O stereo etc and had a list price of around 35k from memory.

When it arrived we realised we (or the dealer, who should have really suggested it IMO) missed a £150 option for interior lighting back which gave you a glovebox light (!!!) and lights in the sun visors.

I thought this sort of thing would be standard on a high spec, 'prestige' car costing £35k+!
But everyone knows S line is for those with champagne tastes and lemonade pockets.
Quite.

And to describe an Audi 'S line' even approaching 'prestige' seems rather pretentious lol.

Fastdruid

7,369 posts

123 months

Monday 22nd November
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Dingu said:
Would we really prefer an extra £10k+ on base list for things we might not want?
Except they cost the manufacturer about 20p while selling for thousands. Options are utterly a money grab, particularly now (well, maybe pre-covid as things have got a bit tricky with the chip situation) with some manufacturers going so far as software enabled options that are reverted on re-sale (eg Tesla).

bad company

15,292 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd November
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n3il123 said:
Back in the early 90s a radio would be an option in a merc or audi.

Don't even mention electric rear windows or head rests!
In the 60’s a heater was usually an option.

Yes I know I’m very old. frown