Manufacturer Stingieness

Manufacturer Stingieness

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fblm

19,308 posts

234 months

Wednesday
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Fast Bug said:
GC8 said:
Nickbrapp said:
No Ad blue gauge
How much Adblue do they use? Surely it is slow enough to not need a gauge, with a low level light still giving you plenty of warning?

I would put 2l./40p of Adblue into an old pop bottle and keep it as a reserve, and problem solved.
I'm fairly sure quite a few vehicles you need to put a minimum amount of adblue in, for some reason I think it's 5 litres? Otherwise it doesn't register at all
If you drive a diesel you can't complain about anyone else being cheap! wink

GC8

19,601 posts

161 months

Thursday
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Fast Bug said:
I'm fairly sure quite a few vehicles you need to put a minimum amount of adblue in, for some reason I think it's 5 litres? Otherwise it doesn't register at all
Interesting. My only experience is with heavy commercial vehicles (hence buying for 20-odd p per litre).

heisthegaffer

2,341 posts

169 months

Thursday
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My old Ma's Fiat Tipo had an electric mirror on the passenger side only, manual on the driver's side.

Also the heated seat was operated by the heated rear window switch too, couldn't use either independently.

Greatestape

7 posts

11 months

Thursday
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A friend who is a top salesman in a US Porsche dealer once told me that most of the new Porsches he sold had options making up nearly a third on top of the cars list price!

Profit margins on optional extra are much higher than on the car itself. When we were parallel importing RHD UK Spec Mercedes from Germany 20 years ago the percentage savings on options were even greater than on the basic car itself! Go figure.

AlexIT

863 posts

109 months

Thursday
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n3il123 said:
Back in the early 90s a radio would be an option in a merc or audi.
Also a 5th gear in a merc....

rodericb

3,779 posts

97 months

Thursday
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boxedin said:
Muddle238 said:
Post relevant to a particular large car park I used to walk through on my way into work. No provision for pedestrian walkways across the rows, so you just walk between vehicles. No biggie, unless the gaps are made tighter by cars with mirrors left extended. I would have expected BMW's and Audi's to have folding mirrors as standard, as the tech has been around for donkeys years, but for some reason they charge extra when the French include it as standard. Hence, the Germans are stingy. I couldn't give a damn about the length of French cars.
Some of us choose to not enable auto-fold on lock. So you can't tell.
Why would you choose to not enable auto-fold? I don't generally park in places where it'd be needed - I think it was turned on when I got the car and it became an easy-to-see indicator of the car being locked. Are you worried about the mechanism breaking?

AlexIT

863 posts

109 months

Thursday
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rodericb said:
boxedin said:
Muddle238 said:
Post relevant to a particular large car park I used to walk through on my way into work. No provision for pedestrian walkways across the rows, so you just walk between vehicles. No biggie, unless the gaps are made tighter by cars with mirrors left extended. I would have expected BMW's and Audi's to have folding mirrors as standard, as the tech has been around for donkeys years, but for some reason they charge extra when the French include it as standard. Hence, the Germans are stingy. I couldn't give a damn about the length of French cars.
Some of us choose to not enable auto-fold on lock. So you can't tell.
Why would you choose to not enable auto-fold? I don't generally park in places where it'd be needed - I think it was turned on when I got the car and it became an easy-to-see indicator of the car being locked. Are you worried about the mechanism breaking?
Mine doesn't have auto folding. I need a long press of the remote button to fold the mirrors, I usually do, my wife never does...

donkmeister

4,455 posts

71 months

Thursday
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rodericb said:
boxedin said:
Muddle238 said:
Post relevant to a particular large car park I used to walk through on my way into work. No provision for pedestrian walkways across the rows, so you just walk between vehicles. No biggie, unless the gaps are made tighter by cars with mirrors left extended. I would have expected BMW's and Audi's to have folding mirrors as standard, as the tech has been around for donkeys years, but for some reason they charge extra when the French include it as standard. Hence, the Germans are stingy. I couldn't give a damn about the length of French cars.
Some of us choose to not enable auto-fold on lock. So you can't tell.
Why would you choose to not enable auto-fold? I don't generally park in places where it'd be needed - I think it was turned on when I got the car and it became an easy-to-see indicator of the car being locked. Are you worried about the mechanism breaking?
Can't speak for boxedin but I simply don't like it. It's an irrational dislike. I don't mean I seethe at people using it, I don't come on PH to shout about foldy-mirrors being the cause of a perceived drop in driving standards, but I think it looks a bit like a wky half-arsed version of a Transformer (robots in disguise). The mirrors go in, I'm expecting more to happen but no, that's it. I don't like it, so I turn it off.

Every car I've had with powerfold has a button or dial there with the mirror adjusters that will fold them in on-command, so I use it if I'm parking somewhere I think it's useful, or if I'm on one of those insanely narrow lanes where you and an oncoming car have to slow to a crawl and fold mirrors in to get past.

fatjon

1,968 posts

184 months

Thursday
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Tony33 said:
My BMW comes with auto headlamp dipping “preparation” as standard. What that means is you have to pay a subscription service to enable what has already been fitted. I guess it makes sense not having to manufacture different versions and simplifies the build process, just remotely enable it from a support centre. Still feels a bit mean, installing the hardware and disabling it through software to be unlocked!
My A8 was similar. Self parking, manoeuvre assist, collision avoidance, wireless car play etc etc. All there but switched off. 10 mins in an Audi indy garage and all working lovely for £100. The one massive irritation is the touted Level 3 autonomy. They assured me that it was all there and could be "activated as soon as it becomes legal". On outright porky as at the very least the driver awareness camera is missing so it can never be activated. Mine was also quite an early car, long before they actually announced they had canned the level 3 project so they were clearly selling them minus the hardware knowing full well it was canned and never going to happen.

They also said that the wireless CarPlay hardware was only fitted in the USA models but it too seems to work remarkably well considering it's not there.
Now they have tightened up access to the ODB port on the 2020 onward cars and the Audi app has a shop so you can rent all the functions that are already there but knobbled. Not that this matters much to me as I will never be buying another one.

rodericb

3,779 posts

97 months

Thursday
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donkmeister said:
rodericb said:
boxedin said:
Muddle238 said:
Post relevant to a particular large car park I used to walk through on my way into work. No provision for pedestrian walkways across the rows, so you just walk between vehicles. No biggie, unless the gaps are made tighter by cars with mirrors left extended. I would have expected BMW's and Audi's to have folding mirrors as standard, as the tech has been around for donkeys years, but for some reason they charge extra when the French include it as standard. Hence, the Germans are stingy. I couldn't give a damn about the length of French cars.
Some of us choose to not enable auto-fold on lock. So you can't tell.
Why would you choose to not enable auto-fold? I don't generally park in places where it'd be needed - I think it was turned on when I got the car and it became an easy-to-see indicator of the car being locked. Are you worried about the mechanism breaking?
Can't speak for boxedin but I simply don't like it. It's an irrational dislike. I don't mean I seethe at people using it, I don't come on PH to shout about foldy-mirrors being the cause of a perceived drop in driving standards, but I think it looks a bit like a wky half-arsed version of a Transformer (robots in disguise). The mirrors go in, I'm expecting more to happen but no, that's it. I don't like it, so I turn it off.

Every car I've had with powerfold has a button or dial there with the mirror adjusters that will fold them in on-command, so I use it if I'm parking somewhere I think it's useful, or if I'm on one of those insanely narrow lanes where you and an oncoming car have to slow to a crawl and fold mirrors in to get past.
Yeah, they're certainly the times you'd use it and you would require control over it when you're driving/manoeuvring the car. You've actually reminded me that it does seem a bit wky if you're parked at a car meet or something and I should also turn off the "bip" on the locking too.

BikeSausage

75 posts

39 months

Thursday
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Currently looking at something to replace the Allroad. V90 XC and E-class estate are in pole position.

I’ve come to appreciate adaptive cruise control. It’s not for everyone, but I find it relaxing in traffic and on slow-moving single carriageways.

Volvo - standard. As it is on my son’s Golf.

E-Class - option on the top line AMG Line Premium Ego Massage Edition Night Look At Me trim level. An option. On that one only. For which I need to take 20” wheels on a chuffing diesel estate. On which I need to fit winter tyres so will need to go down a size or two anyway.

The Volvo can be had open 18’s and no options are required. Lovely. And it’s not an SUV.

fortfive

59 posts

30 months

Thursday
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Never mind all the electronic stuff, VW systematically have removed basic items like grab handles and arm rests. Ridiculous and they have lost me as a customer..

PSRG

473 posts

97 months

Thursday
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rodericb said:
boxedin said:
Muddle238 said:
Post relevant to a particular large car park I used to walk through on my way into work. No provision for pedestrian walkways across the rows, so you just walk between vehicles. No biggie, unless the gaps are made tighter by cars with mirrors left extended. I would have expected BMW's and Audi's to have folding mirrors as standard, as the tech has been around for donkeys years, but for some reason they charge extra when the French include it as standard. Hence, the Germans are stingy. I couldn't give a damn about the length of French cars.
Some of us choose to not enable auto-fold on lock. So you can't tell.
Why would you choose to not enable auto-fold? I don't generally park in places where it'd be needed - I think it was turned on when I got the car and it became an easy-to-see indicator of the car being locked. Are you worried about the mechanism breaking?
I use it now as an easy indicator that the car’s been locked when I look out of the window (though even that’s superfluous with the app that shows the lock status), but when I used to habitually park on a narrow road I deactivated auto folding, on the basis I’d rather a passing car clipped the mirror than taking the side off the car - a sort of early warning system for passing drivers. Though now, with the 360 degree camera stuff, the blind spot sensing, auto dimming etc maybe there’s not much of a cost saving wink

ruairi50

50 posts

135 months

Thursday
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Once I have a Spare Wheel & a Jack Im Happy

lost in espace

5,451 posts

178 months

Thursday
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Ordered a base MG ZS electric facelift, found out it has non auto wipers. The next model up has. I suppose you only use them for a fraction of your driving.

0a

23,276 posts

165 months

Thursday
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My dad’s Skoda citygo doesn’t have one touch open or close on the windows. Now that’s tight.

CTO

2,269 posts

181 months

Thursday
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Our wky MY19 Audi A5 Cab “S-Line”

Keep fit seats
No reverse camera
Analogue clocks
stty infotainment screen which is basically a gameboy stuck on a dashboard
Cheap plastics
One interior boot light on one side
No roof opening from Key
Everything feels flimsy
Woeful gearbox
Drivers seating which is on the pisss and canted sideways

I could go on and on

A big lumpen thing of disappointment.


Slopez

53 posts

68 months

Thursday
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As a valeter, I'm finding more and more newer cars without mats inside them, or the owners have bought some crappy ones from halfords that are a really bad fit and are of the worst material known to man. They're an absolute nightmare to hoover, all the dirt off your shoes just clings to it!

Why can't manufactours supply a set of mats with your new car these days!?

The0perator

25 posts

Thursday
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Slopez said:
As a valeter, I'm finding more and more newer cars without mats inside them, or the owners have bought some crappy ones from halfords that are a really bad fit and are of the worst material known to man. They're an absolute nightmare to hoover, all the dirt off your shoes just clings to it!

Why can't manufactours supply a set of mats with your new car these days!?
Yeah I never quite got how a bit of carpet is an option...

Fast Bug

9,757 posts

132 months

Thursday
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The0perator said:
Slopez said:
As a valeter, I'm finding more and more newer cars without mats inside them, or the owners have bought some crappy ones from halfords that are a really bad fit and are of the worst material known to man. They're an absolute nightmare to hoover, all the dirt off your shoes just clings to it!

Why can't manufactours supply a set of mats with your new car these days!?
Yeah I never quite got how a bit of carpet is an option...
Why give something away of people will pay for it? I've never understood why people spends thousands on a brand new car, but won't pay the 50 quid for tailored mats. They'll either go without or drag the beaten to crap one out of their part exchange, it's usually filthy, worn and doesn't fit....