Tyre came off, anything I can do?

Tyre came off, anything I can do?

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Dave.

7,386 posts

254 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Tommo87 said:
OpulentBob said:
talksthetorque said:
XR said:
Is the driver ok?
she's fine, ace in fact.
clap
That isn’t the OP?.
: parrot :

Jim on the hill

5,072 posts

191 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Zarco said:
Sebring440 said:
Zarco said:
The garage I use have a disclaimer on bottom of each invoice to 'check my nuts after 50 miles' or some such.
Don't believe you.
Why would I lie?

I'm sure Sebring will be along to apologise for calling you a liar. O wait this is PH biglaugh

Tommo87

4,220 posts

114 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Dave. said:
Tommo87 said:
OpulentBob said:
talksthetorque said:
XR said:
Is the driver ok?
she's fine, ace in fact.
clap
That isn’t the OP?.
: parrot :
Ooops. Noted. getmecoat

Pica-Pica

13,847 posts

85 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Yes, to owning a torque wrench.
Yes, to knowing how to use it.
Yes, to knowing the torque specification of wheel bolts (in handbook, like most things).
Yes, to understanding the ‘fine, ace’ piss take.
No, to believing the story.
‘bye!

Limpet

6,324 posts

162 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Zarco said:
Sebring440 said:
Zarco said:
The garage I use have a disclaimer on bottom of each invoice to 'check my nuts after 50 miles' or some such.
Don't believe you.
Why would I lie?

Yep, I've had this on the invoices for a number of tyre changes over the years. One of them was on a rubber stamp that was added before the invoice was handed over to me (can't remember which company)

It is a thing. Even Continental mention it on their website.

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/all-about-...

That said, I've had one tyre chain (who I won't name) do the nuts up to twenty ugga-duggas meaning even a 17 stone man swinging on a four foot breaker bar won't shift them. Chance of accidental unwind = nil.



Edited by Limpet on Friday 26th November 10:09

The spinner of plates

17,739 posts

201 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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First thing I would do is stop the car.

But I’m old school y’see.

Riley Blue

20,987 posts

227 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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DJP said:
This never happened and the OP will never be heard from again.
It nearly happened to me. I had some brake work done on a car. Afterwards I took it for a drive of no more than two miles and felt and heard a loose front wheel. The nuts had only been done up finger tight.

Why are you sure it never happened to anyone else?

Edited by Riley Blue on Friday 26th November 11:42

The spinner of plates

17,739 posts

201 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Zarco said:
Sebring440 said:
Zarco said:
The garage I use have a disclaimer on bottom of each invoice to 'check my nuts after 50 miles' or some such.
Don't believe you.
Why would I lie?

Yup, pretty standard.

swisstoni

17,054 posts

280 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Limpet said:
Zarco said:
Sebring440 said:
Zarco said:
The garage I use have a disclaimer on bottom of each invoice to 'check my nuts after 50 miles' or some such.
Don't believe you.
Why would I lie?

Yep, I've had this on the invoices for a number of tyre changes over the years. One of them was on a rubber stamp that was added before the invoice was handed over to me (can't remember which company)

It is a thing. Even Continental mention it on their website.

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/all-about-...

That said, I've had one tyre chain (who I won't name) do the nuts up to twenty ugga-duggas meaning even a 17 stone man swinging on a four foot breaker bar won't shift them. Chance of accidental unwind = nil.



Edited by Limpet on Friday 26th November 10:09
I’d imagine this happens a lot more often that we as individuals would credit.
No wonder all these service outlets have a well worn get-out for it.

Sheepshanks

32,821 posts

120 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Limpet said:
That said, I've had one tyre chain (who I won't name) do the nuts up to twenty ugga-duggas meaning even a 17 stone man swinging on a four foot breaker bar won't shift them. Chance of accidental unwind = nil.
This is one of those things that seems simple but in reality is fiendishly complicated. The bolts aren’t supposed to take any load – what they do is they clamp the wheel to hub face (hence why you shouldn’t grease the hub face). Over-tightening is bad too, especially if done repeatedly, as it stretches and weakens the bolts and they may ‘give’ and loosen.

There's one well regarded tyre place locally where they do up the bolts by feel. These days I'm surprised they don't wave a torque wrench at them even if just for effect, but they say there's too many uncertainties about the thread condition and they can feel when they're correct. :shrug:

Monkeylegend

26,475 posts

232 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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DJP said:
This never happened and the OP will never be heard from again.
Are there not times when new posters cannot post, ie after 9pm or something?

Maybe we should give OP the benefit of the doubt and see if they return to the thread today.

If not then you are correct, another time waster bites the dust.

Riley Blue

20,987 posts

227 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Monkeylegend said:
DJP said:
This never happened and the OP will never be heard from again.
Are there not times when new posters cannot post, ie after 9pm or something?

Maybe we should give OP the benefit of the doubt and see if they return to the thread today.

If not then you are correct, another time waster bites the dust.
Ripping into new posters is like picking on the new kid in the playground, there are some who consider it 'clever' and 'fun'.

mikeyr

3,118 posts

194 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Riley Blue said:
Ripping into new posters is like picking on the new kid in the playground, there are some who consider it 'clever' and 'fun'.
Totally agree, it's just not a welcoming place sometimes.

Gad-Westy

14,578 posts

214 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Tommo87 said:
andyA700 said:
Sheepshanks said:
Zarco said:
No, you're supposed to do it yourself laugh
I wonder how many people know how to do it properly.
I wonder how many people own a torque wrench and even if they did, do they know how to use one correctly?
I always just assumed they meant to confirm they were still tight.

I cannot say that I have ever received a notice specifying an exact torque number. But if everyone else on here has been given a specific torque setting, I guess that’s just me being an outlier.


The scariest thing in the story, was that nobody noticed at least four wheel nuts coming loose before the wheel was able to come off. Each of those wheel nuts is a potential smashed windscreen of dent to the cars following.
It is quite strange. If you have work done on your brakes or suspension etc, you're not expected to check torque afterwards. It feels more like a get out of jail free card for the tyre fitter in case they just forget to do your wheel nuts up.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Sheepshanks said:
So if you buy a new car, might have typically 6-7 miles on it, you're supposed to take it back a few miles later to get the nuts/bolts re-torqued?
Why do they take the wheels off at the factory?

jet_noise

5,659 posts

183 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Mobile fitter I last used requested that, where possible, I watched him torque nuts as part of approving the job.
No doubts either way.

/anecdote

playamonte

92 posts

30 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Pothole said:
Why do they take the wheels off at the factory?
They don’t they fit them and after any fitting it is good practice to check/re-torque as wheels can and on occasion do become loose.
This used to be quite a problem years ago on HGV’s where wheels are subjected to much higher loads and were very often over tightened causing the bolts to shear over time, rarely happens nowadays as they are all checked with a torque wrench at fitting and no later than at days end (usually)

Pica-Pica

13,847 posts

85 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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playamonte said:
Pothole said:
Why do they take the wheels off at the factory?
They don’t they fit them and after any fitting it is good practice to check/re-torque as wheels can and on occasion do become loose.
This used to be quite a problem years ago on HGV’s where wheels are subjected to much higher loads and were very often over tightened causing the bolts to shear over time, rarely happens nowadays as they are all checked with a torque wrench at fitting and no later than at days end (usually)
Bait, caught, reeled in?

playamonte

92 posts

30 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Pica-Pica said:
Bait, caught, reeled in?
I see how interesting.

Pothole

34,367 posts

283 months

Friday 26th November 2021
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Pica-Pica said:
playamonte said:
Pothole said:
Why do they take the wheels off at the factory?
They don’t they fit them and after any fitting it is good practice to check/re-torque as wheels can and on occasion do become loose.
This used to be quite a problem years ago on HGV’s where wheels are subjected to much higher loads and were very often over tightened causing the bolts to shear over time, rarely happens nowadays as they are all checked with a torque wrench at fitting and no later than at days end (usually)
Bait, caught, reeled in?
Nah, Sheepshanks was responding to this : "Seems sensible for any where that takes your wheels off to be fair." My question was genuine.