RE: 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 GTX Max | PH Review

[greggy50]

Mouse Rat said:

TheDeuce said:

Mouse Rat said:

I'm looking for an EV now.
My criteria is, would I buy it if it had the equivalently power ICE engine in.

The answer is no. Apart from the Etron GT and Ioniq they are all weird or blobs. This VW has no appeal other than the power train.

What sort of car are you actually looking for?

Ideally something like an XF, A5, A6, 4 series ie nice looking 4 door or coupe. I love the E Tron GT, Taycan and Model S as they look great, but I cant justify spending that much. The Hyundai and BMW i4 are on the right track. But the Hyundai is too small and the BMW tarnished by that hideous front end.
I'm squinting looking at the Polestar.

I have a Polestar 2 and like the styling and don't think it's too weird...

There is an electric E Class, 5 Series and Macan due in the next 2 years tops however.

The E Tron is also about to imminently be refreshed and have a lot better range.

It doesn't matter what EV you get it will be out of date quite quickly that's the only issue hence why mine is a company car!

[TheDeuce]

Mouse Rat said:

TheDeuce said:

Mouse Rat said:

I'm looking for an EV now.
My criteria is, would I buy it if it had the equivalently power ICE engine in.

The answer is no. Apart from the Etron GT and Ioniq they are all weird or blobs. This VW has no appeal other than the power train.

What sort of car are you actually looking for?

Ideally something like an XF, A5, A6, 4 series ie nice looking 4 door or coupe. I love the E Tron GT, Taycan and Model S as they look great, but I cant justify spending that much. The Hyundai and BMW i4 are on the right track. But the Hyundai is too small and the BMW tarnished by that hideous front end.
I'm squinting looking at the Polestar.

Other than the front end (which I agree with you on) the i4 M50 is pretty much the EV I'm most excited about and I will be spending some time in one in January. The front end is gopping indeed, but nothing is perfect... Other than the front end it's an excellent car and puts all the fun of EV power in an actually fun chassis without a crazy price tag.

I would stay well away from the model S, it's fast but dynamically it's a barge. Light years away from the Taycan or it's step sister e-tron GT in terms of driver appeal.

[TheDeuce]

ajap1979 said:

TheDeuce said:

rosino said:

why on earth do you keep comparing it to the Model 3 and not the Model Y which is imminent ?

That's the comparison you should be making in terms of space/practicality/performance/range/price. Model 3 is completely different proposition.

Model Y will change everything in the segment. Not that am a big Tesla fan, and I would not buy one in the short term as i prefer the iX3 (mostly for the luxury feeling and driver engagement) but for generic brand / appliance styling and practicality it annhilates the iD.4.

Really surprised VW could not do better than this with their alleged re-boot.

I don't think it actually matters what it's compared to in terms of whether or not the ID4 is as good as it should/could be.

Whatever the class/shape of other EV's we could point to, they virtually all (at the same price point) out-compete the ID4 in several ways. It's simply not a good car and I don't really understand why VW have ended up with such an underwhelming product.

I honestly think you're being massively unfair on it. Maybe the GTX doesn't stack up because of it's price, but the other models are worthy of consideration, along with the Enyaq and Q4 E-Tron (which are basically the same car). I was watching a head-to-head against the EV6 earlier and there was very little in it, in fact the efficiency of both was identical. Your dislike of it does seem irrational IMO.

OK, if we ignore the GTX... Suggest another trim/version of the ID4 and I'll have a think about how it stacks to competing cars. Might as well test both our theories..

[CDP]

TheDeuce said:

OK, if we ignore the GTX... Suggest another trim/version of the ID4 and I'll have a think about how it stacks to competing cars. Might as well test both our theories..

At base spec it's a very likeable car.

But top of the range models can often move the car into a space where it is outclassed.

[greggy50]

CDP said:

TheDeuce said:

OK, if we ignore the GTX... Suggest another trim/version of the ID4 and I'll have a think about how it stacks to competing cars. Might as well test both our theories..

At base spec it's a very likeable car.

But top of the range models can often move the car into a space where it is outclassed.

I agree, the base spec at £35k makes sense as it's a big electric car for the cash and has all the spec you need in reality (maybe need to upgrade the alloys...)

At that money the only other viable alternative really is the MG HS which to be honest post facelift does look quite smart.

With the bigger batteries it becomes £42k + and like for like only £3k or so less than a Q4 E Tron which is more desirable and given the better interior worth going for instead imo or the Kia, Huyndai, Tesla, Polestar etc.

[V 02]

ajap1979 said:

Going out on a limb here, but VW will sell a magnitude more of these than Kia will EV6s, or Hyundai will Ioniq 5s. Current 9-12 month waiting lists for ID cars at the moment, whereas you can walk into a Hyundai dealership and have a brand new one next week.

Just saw one of these on the road today for the first time. Errr, this comment didn’t age well.