RE: Alfa Romeo Alfasud | Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo Alfasud | Spotted

Monday 28th February 2022

Alfa Romeo Alfasud | Spotted

Buying any Alfasud comes with a health warning. But what a car...



I have a memory of the Alfa Romeo Alfasud that, wait for it, doesn't involve watching one disintegrate into millions of tiny brown particles before my very eyes. Yes, rusting was one the Alfasud's preeminent features that made them perfect for illustrating the theory of entropy to science students, but it wasn't the only thing that made the car famous. My memory was, as a wee lad, being driven in an Alfasud Ti Green Cloverleaf and feeling - from the passenger seat at least - that this was the best-handling car since the McLaren MP4-4. And thinking that it was one of the best-looking cars I'd ever seen, too. Naïve? Of course. But a cherished memory nonetheless.

The little Alfa was an inspired piece of design and engineering. The Mk1 Golf GTI was the genesis of the hot hatchback, but the Alfasud represented the first sporting front-wheel-drive hatchback - albeit with one tiny bone of contention, which was that it wasn't a hatchback at all. The first series of cars were, in fact, saloons with a hatchback shape, but that didn't stop them being incredibly practical. It was engineered by Rudolf Hruska, and the Austrian insisted that its young designer - one Giorgetto Giugiaro - made the boot big enough to swallow a set of large suitcases. Which it did, with enough space for four adults and more rear leg room than a contemporary Jaguar XJ6, too - from a car that was just shy of 13-feet long. And it did that while also boasting a collapsible steering column, crumple zones and a fuel tank that was mounted farther from harm under the rear seat. Packaging wise, it was a masterpiece.

As was the technical brief that Hruska set himself. A front-wheel-drive Alfa had been mooted since the '50s but never materialised due to a gentlemen's agreement that Alfa wouldn't step on Fiat's mass-market toes. The Alfasud was, at last, a democratised Alfa Romeo for blue collars and upwards. But as an Alfa it had to be born with a sporting soul. So Hruska used a four-cylinder, horizontally opposed engine that kept the weight down low and the frontal section small. It worked, because with a 0.30-drag coefficient the tiny 1,186cc engine could still deliver excellent motorway cruising. It was a sweet-revving motor as well, and, thanks to the car's rack-and-pinion steering - a first for the brand - the Alfasud steered sweetly, too. Plus it handled with poise on its MacPherson front struts and rear beam axle, with inboard disc brakes keeping the unsprung mass low.



As a result, it blew its rivals clean out the water dynamically and received a rapturous reception by the press. Even those sceptics that believed a front-wheel-drive Alfa was sacrilegious were won over by the car's obvious charm. Of course, there were many upgrades along the way, including bigger iterations of the flat-four that culminated in the Ti Quadrifoglio Verde - the car that wowed me. By that stage the original car's simplistic lines had been augmented with eight-hole alloys, rubber bumpers, wheel-arch extensions, deeper sills and a rear spoiler. And, by then, a more practical hatchback. Unlike the Spider, though, which went from boat-tail beauty to a little ungainly, the Alfasud retained its prettiness despite the '80s excess.

This car isn't quite that far down the evolutionary path. It's a 1983 1.5 Ti Gold Cloverleaf, which hasn't got the bigger arches and is fitted with more delicate, multi-spoked alloys. Inside there's plush, tan velour and a beautiful wood-rimmed steering wheel that wouldn't look out of place fitted to an Alfa from two decades earlier. And being a Gold Cloverleaf, the twin-carb, 1,490cc motor, which according to the advert was rebuilt 15,000-miles ago, produces a healthy 95hp and comes with a five-speed manual gearbox.

Of course, the Alfasud's legacy will always be tainted with the colour brown. Yet this stunning piece of silverware shows no signs of that and is a welcome reminder not to allow the Alfasud's poor execution to completely overshadow its fundamentally excellent engineering.


Specification | Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti Gold Cloverleaf

Engine: 1,490cc, 4-cylinder, naturally aspirated
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 95
Torque (lb ft): 95 (approx.)
CO2: N/A
MPG: N/A
Recorded mileage: 112,000
Year registered: 1983
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £19,950

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loudlashadjuster

Original Poster:

5,128 posts

184 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Lovely thing, but 20 large is a strong ask

griffdude

1,826 posts

248 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Through Ti Alfasuds has twin headlights?

An ex girlfriend had a 1.5 Cloverleaf & it was a great drive. Lovely revvy engine.

dunnoreally

966 posts

108 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Those really do have something about them. I can absolutely see the appeal. Still feels more appropriate as a daily driver than weekender somehow, but I guess they're just too old for that now. Regardless, as something to thrash round the local countryside without ever breaking a speed limit it seems like a lovely option.

Post-pandemic pricing is indeed still post-pandemic pricing.

Manic Street Sleeper

1,030 posts

41 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Another overpriced "Spotted" rolleyes


wpa1975

8,803 posts

114 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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£20k rofl

Around £5k on a good day would be closer to the mark.

parabolica

6,721 posts

184 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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£20k if it was one of the nicer looking Alfas, but not this...

andy97

4,703 posts

222 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Second ever car was a 1500 Sud Sprint - loved that car, awesome fun. Have also owned and raced a 33 and raced a shared Sud Sprint. Handled brilliantly as race cars.

jamieh2304

21 posts

84 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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wpa1975 said:
£20k rofl

Around £5k on a good day would be closer to the mark.
They've not been 5k for a good one for quite some time.

7-8k is baseline for a similar condition cooking 1.2.

However, I do think 20k is steep for one of these and I much prefer the Sprint version.

usualdog

230 posts

163 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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AlfaSud 1.5 Ti was a wonderful car. So was the Alfa Sprint. It seems like Alfa gave up after these, because nothing since has come close in terms of delicacy, balance and that raspy exhaust. Even the 33 that followed the Sud was a bit of a letdown.

Edited by usualdog on Monday 28th February 13:52

amacl10

244 posts

230 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Had a gold cloverleaf back in the day. Great fun- wipers only worked in the dry which is handy in Scotland. Ultimately it was killed by my wife who along with a friend tried to push it down a side street after it cut out and blocked a main road. Unfortunately side street was a tad steep and it ran down a hill into a lamppost and was written off.
Next stop 205 GTI 1.9….. happy days.
Miss both.

TWPC

842 posts

161 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Wow! £20k?

My old dad would be stunned.

He bought an Alfasud 1.3 Ti in 1978 to back up our existing SAAB 99L - quite a respectable seventies garage and definitely one to teach you about the dynamic traits of dead beam axles. To 8 year old me, the Alfasud was so exciting, like a little racing car with its noisy, farty exhaust. The following summer we took it on holiday in France and drove down the Mulsanne Straight. I took a photo from between the front seats to preserve the moment: sun shining, foot down, exhaust blaring and the row of gauges to dad's left - 'olio', 'benzina', 'acqua' - visible below the windscreen and the strip of tarmac stretching into the distance. The photo came out well and it's a precious motoring memory highlight of my childhood.

We had XYE10T for 2-3 years until more babies came along and had to get something bigger (a rather crappy Fiat Mirafiori estate... but dad had redeemed himself by replacing the 99L with a SAAB 900 turbo in 1980). According to gov.uk, the 'Sud died in 1987.

wpa1975

8,803 posts

114 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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jamieh2304 said:
wpa1975 said:
£20k rofl

Around £5k on a good day would be closer to the mark.
They've not been 5k for a good one for quite some time.

7-8k is baseline for a similar condition cooking 1.2.

However, I do think 20k is steep for one of these and I much prefer the Sprint version.
Happy to be corrected, guess not many left as they turned to rust as soon as they were delivered.

Chris C2

175 posts

49 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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FWIW Suds were also assembled in South Africa and Malaysia - both RHD markets? I wonder if they are better built and last longer - especially the South African ones in a dry climate - opportunity for imports?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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One of these was my first car. Bought around 1986 for £1000. While I have very fond memories of it, suspect they are best left as memories.

Maccmike8

1,034 posts

54 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Very pretty.

usualdog

230 posts

163 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Chris C2 said:
FWIW Suds were also assembled in South Africa and Malaysia - both RHD markets? I wonder if they are better built and last longer - especially the South African ones in a dry climate - opportunity for imports?
But using Russian steel which was the root of the rust problem IIRC

andy-stevo

9 posts

186 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Bought an Alfasud 1.5 ti Green Cloverleaf as a cheap replacement for my 205 1.9GTI (fed up with the loan repayments). Only 5 years old and ~70k miles at the time but it was already close to being knackered, both bodily (serious rust breaking out in various locations) and mechanically. Maybe unfair to compare the two but it felt light years behind the 205 - much slower and nowhere near as sharp a drive.
Kept it for 2 years (most of the time sat on my parents' driveway going nowhere). At one point I had both the Alfa and a Fiat X1/9 (glutton for punishment), the two together equated to just about one reliable daily driver.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,084 posts

212 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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Am I the only one who just thinks it doesn't look remotely good? Like an old Metro.

Turbobanana

6,271 posts

201 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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dunnoreally said:
...without ever breaking a speed limit...
How slow do you think they are?

Mine did NOT rust. Nope. Not while I owned it anyway. Which wasn't for long after it caught fire on the way to Snetterton because the scrote that owned it before me saw fit to fill the hole in the spare wheel well with an oily rag. Guess what's beneath the wheel well? The hot exhaust, of course.

Other memories are of spectacular lift-off oversteer and the weird heater controls that were on a column stalk...

benzinbob

750 posts

56 months

Monday 28th February 2022
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It’s looks like a Volvo 340 and a cry for help.