Petrol prices- when does the madness end?

[DonkeyApple]

Roman Rhodes said:

You're living in fantasy land. If tinfoilery is such a problem (it isn't - stupid people have always existed) then simply nationalise the fuel retail industry and live your socialist utopia. Fuel won't be any cheaper but you'll 'know' why it costs what it does. Then you can move on to bread and all the other staples of everyday life. Nationalise the lot and do away with the free-market economy.

If the "specific reason" for 30ppl differentials is "fk you, I'll sell my goods for whatever price I like", what are you going to do?

Of you're talking about the lunacy of nationalisation as well as denying the known benefits on competition of transparency then you've not actually understood any of this element of the discussion. Unlike the poster above who retorted with actual and interesting information without any hysterical hyperbole.

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

You're living in fantasy land. If tinfoilery is such a problem (it isn't - stupid people have always existed) then simply nationalise the fuel retail industry and live your socialist utopia. Fuel won't be any cheaper but you'll 'know' why it costs what it does. Then you can move on to bread and all the other staples of everyday life. Nationalise the lot and do away with the free-market economy.

If the "specific reason" for 30ppl differentials is "fk you, I'll sell my goods for whatever price I like", what are you going to do?

Of you're talking about the lunacy of nationalisation as well as denying the known benefits on competition of transparency then you've not actually understood any of this element of the discussion. Unlike the poster above who retorted with actual and interesting information without any hysterical hyperbole.

That's a rather convoluted way to admit there is no justification or logical reason to do what you're suggesting.

[DonkeyApple]

Roman Rhodes said:

That's a rather convoluted way to admit there is no justification or logical reason to do what you're suggesting.

Of course it is. Explaining that you've misunderstood a couple of key aspects and are going on about nationalisation is exactly that!! Bizarre.

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

That's a rather convoluted way to admit there is no justification or logical reason to do what you're suggesting.

Of course it is. Explaining that you've misunderstood a couple of key aspects and are going on about nationalisation is exactly that!! Bizarre.

You haven't 'explained' anything. What you propose is anti-competitive bureaucracy for one particular commodity only. That is bizarre.

[DonkeyApple]

Roman Rhodes said:

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

That's a rather convoluted way to admit there is no justification or logical reason to do what you're suggesting.

Of course it is. Explaining that you've misunderstood a couple of key aspects and are going on about nationalisation is exactly that!! Bizarre.

You haven't 'explained' anything. What you propose is anti-competitive bureaucracy for one particular commodity only. That is bizarre.

This has clearly got you confused. Please don't go off on one of your rants. The fact that you are not only going on about nationalisation and now arguing that pricing transparency is anti competitive is silly. As is trying to argue something is flawed because a discussion is about one particular commodity on a thread that is solely about one particular commodity.

[nismo48]

Over here in Spain (Motril) supermarket Al Campo selling diesel for €1.69 a litre
Was up at €1.99.5 so quite a drop

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

That's a rather convoluted way to admit there is no justification or logical reason to do what you're suggesting.

Of course it is. Explaining that you've misunderstood a couple of key aspects and are going on about nationalisation is exactly that!! Bizarre.

You haven't 'explained' anything. What you propose is anti-competitive bureaucracy for one particular commodity only. That is bizarre.

This has clearly got you confused. Please don't go off on one of your rants. The fact that you are not only going on about nationalisation and now arguing that pricing transparency is anti competitive is silly. As is trying to argue something is flawed because a discussion is about one particular commodity on a thread that is solely about one particular commodity.

You OK hun?

If you were able to articulate why your proposal is a good idea and how it is practical rather than ducking and weaving perhaps you would cause less 'confusion'? For a start your claimed "today's wholesale price is £1.58/l" isn't true inasmuch as there isn't one "wholesale price". One petrol station has a mid-CIF deal, another has a high-CIF deal. How do you show that? Petrol station customers just need to know the price they are paying - that is where they want transparency and they have it. If one station explains to you that they are charging 30ppl more than another "because they can" what are you going to do? If they say they are charging more because of "logistics, loyalty scheme, one man band deal v multiple" what are you going to do?

Information can be useful but the granularity you're seeking on a daily level isn't that. I note your dismissive cop-out regarding why you would (or wouldn't) apply this to other retail products.

Awaits 'dog with bone' response...

[DonkeyApple]

Roman Rhodes said:

You OK hun?

If you were able to articulate why your proposal is a good idea and how it is practical rather than ducking and weaving perhaps you would cause less 'confusion'? For a start your claimed "today's wholesale price is £1.58/l" isn't true inasmuch as there isn't one "wholesale price". One petrol station has a mid-CIF deal, another has a high-CIF deal. How do you show that? Petrol station customers just need to know the price they are paying - that is where they want transparency and they have it. If one station explains to you that they are charging 30ppl more than another "because they can" what are you going to do? If they say they are charging more because of "logistics, loyalty scheme, one man band deal v multiple" what are you going to do?

Information can be useful but the granularity you're seeking on a daily level isn't that. I note your dismissive cop-out regarding why you would (or wouldn't) apply this to other retail products.

Awaits 'dog with bone' response...

It was perfectly clear. You've just got caught up in some nationalisation whittering, some wild claims that price transparency is anti competitive and wanting to include bread and milk in a thread about petrol.

I'm sorry you've not understood. Im sorry you e had to resort to such strange tactics.
Please feel free to continue.

[Ardennes92]

Dog Star said:

Ardennes92 said:

162.9 (essar) and 167.9 (shell) here in North Shropshire yesterday; probably both from Stanlow as that is closest and sold by shell to essar a few years ago

I think it's starting to bottom out to what the price "should be" with some retailers - around £1.60/l seems to be the price.

Wish that was true, if I travel away more than 5 miles it goes up 20ppl or more

[Harpoon]

Ardennes92 said:

Dog Star said:

Ardennes92 said:

162.9 (essar) and 167.9 (shell) here in North Shropshire yesterday; probably both from Stanlow as that is closest and sold by shell to essar a few years ago

I think it's starting to bottom out to what the price "should be" with some retailers - around £1.60/l seems to be the price.

Wish that was true, if I travel away more than 5 miles it goes up 20ppl or more

I was trying to do the calculations the other night to see if it's worth driving up to Whitchurch (North Shropshire) just to fill - 26ppl litre saving on unleaded (£1.88 vs £1.62).

[QuattroDave]

Yesterday morning I filled up at my local tesco at £1.82/litre

When I had to nip into Tesco when I got home 12 or so hours later it had gone down to £1.77/litre!

Diseasle still high though

[ARHarh]

Harpoon said:

Ardennes92 said:

Dog Star said:

Ardennes92 said:

162.9 (essar) and 167.9 (shell) here in North Shropshire yesterday; probably both from Stanlow as that is closest and sold by shell to essar a few years ago

I think it's starting to bottom out to what the price "should be" with some retailers - around £1.60/l seems to be the price.

Wish that was true, if I travel away more than 5 miles it goes up 20ppl or more

I was trying to do the calculations the other night to see if it's worth driving up to Whitchurch (North Shropshire) just to fill - 26ppl litre saving on unleaded (£1.88 vs £1.62).

Same price at Nescliff which may be a few miles nearer. Garage had some healthy queues yesterday. Not bad for a small village garage that normally has very few customers.

[bigothunter]

QuattroDave said:

Diseasle still high though

Wonder how much your lifestyle depends on the supply of 'Diseasle' ?

[MG CHRIS]

Petrol went from 1.85 too 1.76 in 2 days diesel still high though. At least it's going down not up.

[AI1601]

Crude starting to edge upwards again.

[EnzoUK]

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

Crude Oil back at $100 / barrell today, not good news lads!

[Deep Thought]

EnzoUK said:

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

Crude Oil back at $100 / barrell today, not good news lads!

They best get those petrol and heating oil prices up again immediately!

[e-honda]

Just when I thought it was save to buy a bargain v8

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

Roman Rhodes said:

You OK hun?

If you were able to articulate why your proposal is a good idea and how it is practical rather than ducking and weaving perhaps you would cause less 'confusion'? For a start your claimed "today's wholesale price is £1.58/l" isn't true inasmuch as there isn't one "wholesale price". One petrol station has a mid-CIF deal, another has a high-CIF deal. How do you show that? Petrol station customers just need to know the price they are paying - that is where they want transparency and they have it. If one station explains to you that they are charging 30ppl more than another "because they can" what are you going to do? If they say they are charging more because of "logistics, loyalty scheme, one man band deal v multiple" what are you going to do?

Information can be useful but the granularity you're seeking on a daily level isn't that. I note your dismissive cop-out regarding why you would (or wouldn't) apply this to other retail products.

Awaits 'dog with bone' response...

It was perfectly clear. You've just got caught up in some nationalisation whittering, some wild claims that price transparency is anti competitive and wanting to include bread and milk in a thread about petrol.

I'm sorry you've not understood. Im sorry you e had to resort to such strange tactics.
Please feel free to continue.

Despite that little diversion up the garden path you've failed to show you know what you're talking about. Shame. Keep gnawing

[Threadbear]

Filled up with Esso diesel @ 189.9 in Porthmadog this week. Felt like a positive bargain after the 199.9 per litre in South East Kent.