Petrol prices- when does the madness end?

Petrol prices- when does the madness end?

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ARHarh

3,777 posts

108 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Mere motors in Ellesmere Shropshire is now down to 159.9 for unleaded. If they can then surely everywhere can.

Wills2

22,878 posts

176 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Premium diesel seems to over £2lr wherever I look, for me the price hasn't really come down, I think I need to try harder.

DonkeyApple

55,408 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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ingenieur said:
My view is whatever way you slice it, covid forced the oil companies to take a massive hit. I believe they had substantial losses during 2019/2020... so they have to make profits now to stay in business. Some of what they lost would have been paid for by surpluses generated during previous years. Some of it from mothballing. Some of it by charging more in the following years. Profits are then reinvested back into development of future energy supplies, good causes and 'windfall' taxes.
The oil majors were all able to handle those losses. Companies like BP lost £20bn but had a balance sheet to easily soak that up. But if governments had stepped in to force supply to be maintained then we wouldn't have had this huge price spike and the mega profits now being made.

abzmike

8,406 posts

107 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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DonkeyApple said:
The oil majors were all able to handle those losses. Companies like BP lost £20bn but had a balance sheet to easily soak that up. But if governments had stepped in to force supply to be maintained then we wouldn't have had this huge price spike and the mega profits now being made.
Production had to be cut back because the demand wasn't there. It isn't easy to store 10milion barrels of oil a day. Also remember many of the major producers are national companies, with the remit to maximise value for their governments. They are also largely not in the 'West', so don't necessarily have the same economic priorities as the west do.

HustleRussell

24,724 posts

161 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Presumably we ran out of bunkering capacity internationally hence the negative values and throttling of production.

DonkeyApple

55,408 posts

170 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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abzmike said:
DonkeyApple said:
The oil majors were all able to handle those losses. Companies like BP lost £20bn but had a balance sheet to easily soak that up. But if governments had stepped in to force supply to be maintained then we wouldn't have had this huge price spike and the mega profits now being made.
Production had to be cut back because the demand wasn't there. It isn't easy to store 10milion barrels of oil a day. Also remember many of the major producers are national companies, with the remit to maximise value for their governments. They are also largely not in the 'West', so don't necessarily have the same economic priorities as the west do.
Yes. But this wasn't about storing more than could be stored but about not letting reserves run down. China has been buying hard to refill reserves there was zero sense in depleting. Nor was this about keeping oil flowing but about stepping in to prevent hard mothballing of wells so that recommissioning took weeks not months and in some cases over 12 months.

Every government took its eye off the ball re energy security. Focussed well on employment and keeping as many firms as possible from going to the wall but completely forget about energy security.

Not knowing when lockdowns would end the only entities with a vested interest in ensuring as little mothballing was done by the oil industry were the global governments. Zero downside to the oil industry and as they had a duty to shareholders they did what was right for them.

Captain Answer

1,352 posts

188 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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mattyprice4004 said:
Shiv_P said:


Costco generally make very little money on the fuel or even a small loss, so here is actual pricing for you
The queue for fuel at our local Costco is absolutely bonkers at the moment - I was waiting around 10 minutes.
The chap behind me only put a tenner in, and then was too brain-dead to be able to wiggle his car through the huge gap between me and the pump opposite.
He probably burned more than he put in queueing and then waiting to get out...
Sounds about right for some I've observed going in there when I've been in of late, I usually fill one of my cars from vapors to full (95ltr last time) and fill a 20ltr jerry can while im there which is also when we go do some shopping there once a month

RammyMP

6,784 posts

154 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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Captain Answer said:
mattyprice4004 said:
Shiv_P said:


Costco generally make very little money on the fuel or even a small loss, so here is actual pricing for you
The queue for fuel at our local Costco is absolutely bonkers at the moment - I was waiting around 10 minutes.
The chap behind me only put a tenner in, and then was too brain-dead to be able to wiggle his car through the huge gap between me and the pump opposite.
He probably burned more than he put in queueing and then waiting to get out...
Sounds about right for some I've observed going in there when I've been in of late, I usually fill one of my cars from vapors to full (95ltr last time) and fill a 20ltr jerry can while im there which is also when we go do some shopping there once a month
Last few times I’ve been there’s been a few wagons filling up

VTC

2,004 posts

185 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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abroad prices went up for a few weeks
to around £1.50 p/l
now back down to £1.20 p/l
still high for here though as fuel was around 70p p/l this time last year
this is for V power Diesel

Shiv_P

2,750 posts

106 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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RammyMP said:
Captain Answer said:
mattyprice4004 said:
Shiv_P said:


Costco generally make very little money on the fuel or even a small loss, so here is actual pricing for you
The queue for fuel at our local Costco is absolutely bonkers at the moment - I was waiting around 10 minutes.
The chap behind me only put a tenner in, and then was too brain-dead to be able to wiggle his car through the huge gap between me and the pump opposite.
He probably burned more than he put in queueing and then waiting to get out...
Sounds about right for some I've observed going in there when I've been in of late, I usually fill one of my cars from vapors to full (95ltr last time) and fill a 20ltr jerry can while im there which is also when we go do some shopping there once a month
Last few times I’ve been there’s been a few wagons filling up
I try and go Friday afternoon as I have half day work, seems OK

Cobracc

3,351 posts

151 months

Tuesday 9th August 2022
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ARHarh said:
Mere motors in Ellesmere Shropshire is now down to 159.9 for unleaded. If they can then surely everywhere can.
Still a complete rip-off at that price...!

Mr Tidy

22,421 posts

128 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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That's cheap!

I thought I had done well on Sunday when I filled up with BP in Castle Donington for £1.809 a litre for Ultimate E5 - their regular was £1.759 a litre.

When I stopped at the Tamworth services earlier on the M42 (or is it A42) Esso wanted £2.049 for Regular! eek

bigothunter

11,297 posts

61 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Mr Tidy said:
That's cheap!

I thought I had done well on Sunday when I filled up with BP in Castle Donington for £1.809 a litre for Ultimate E5 - their regular was £1.759 a litre.

When I stopped at the Tamworth services earlier on the M42 (or is it A42) Esso wanted £2.049 for Regular! eek
Less extortionate not cheap...

Mr Tidy

22,421 posts

128 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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bigothunter said:
Mr Tidy said:
That's cheap!

I thought I had done well on Sunday when I filled up with BP in Castle Donington for £1.809 a litre for Ultimate E5 - their regular was £1.759 a litre.

When I stopped at the Tamworth services earlier on the M42 (or is it A42) Esso wanted £2.049 for Regular! eek
Less extortionate not cheap...
True, but I didn't have much choice as I don't know the area and had less than 40 miles range with a 150 mile trip home!

ARHarh

3,777 posts

108 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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154.9 in Nesscliff Shropshire, almost worth driving out to North Wales this weekend just to buy fuel on the way smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Yesterday on the A3 just past Richmond Park, E10 was attractively priced at 179.9. E5 (99RON) was 197.9 though.

Grossing up 180 by 95/90 doesn’t get you to 198…

Drew106

1,400 posts

146 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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I see the prices have come down a bit at my local Shell garages. But little change to the price of V Power?! Still £2/litre.

I guess they take advantage of the folks who use the good stuff, knowing they'll pay it.

JmatthewB

912 posts

123 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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Drew106 said:
I see the prices have come down a bit at my local Shell garages. But little change to the price of V Power?! Still £2/litre.

I guess they take advantage of the folks who use the good stuff, knowing they'll pay it.
£1.79 for V-Power at Styal near me.

alangla

4,825 posts

182 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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JmatthewB said:
£1.79 for V-Power at Styal near me.
I paid £1.90 for it at the weekend. That was at a Shell owned site next to the M80 but not an official motorway services. Was about a 15p difference vs E10 from what I remember.

alangla

4,825 posts

182 months

Wednesday 10th August 2022
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-cen...
Oh brilliant. Panic buying in 5,4,3….

It would probably help if Ineos could at least put out a statement saying something like “all deliveries to petrol stations are operating as normal”