RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes
Discussion
Toyota specifically haven't confirmed
1. How many were actually sold / ordered.
2. If the orders taken are all for 2022 cars.
3. If they will / won't / might sell further batches, which they suggested would happen but some subsequent press now seems to contradict.
I'm personally unsure if they might be hyping up market and will then announce further tranches of cars.
1. How many were actually sold / ordered.
2. If the orders taken are all for 2022 cars.
3. If they will / won't / might sell further batches, which they suggested would happen but some subsequent press now seems to contradict.
I'm personally unsure if they might be hyping up market and will then announce further tranches of cars.
bennno said:
Toyota specifically haven't confirmed
1. How many were actually sold / ordered.
2. If the orders taken are all for 2022 cars.
3. If they will / won't / might sell further batches, which they suggested would happen but some subsequent press now seems to contradict.
I'm personally unsure if they might be hyping up market and will then announce further tranches of cars.
2022 had an allocation of 400 cars. That covers all 3 questions. I imagine order books for MY2023 will come late this year.1. How many were actually sold / ordered.
2. If the orders taken are all for 2022 cars.
3. If they will / won't / might sell further batches, which they suggested would happen but some subsequent press now seems to contradict.
I'm personally unsure if they might be hyping up market and will then announce further tranches of cars.
Advevo said:
I have one on order also. Really looking forward to it.
I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
Goed gesproken Andre I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
Lucky for you you have some nice roads up North in Frisia ;-) most parts in our NL its to busy and or to many kamera's around...
So the sweet spot are those lighter cars with a good balance that do not need 300+ km/h to have fun in.
btw, have you seen this little monster? oooh, I would love that, it looks like a perfect build, sadly RHD but a LHD example would be ( I think) great fun, even in NL (for me at least) love those kind of builds, don't know how the balance if of this, for you as a racing driver maybe not good, but for me occasional from A to B driving-fun would be fun around here.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Antj said:
in 2022 is anyone surprised.........
This is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
Why did you need to think about it? This is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
The info was there in advance, the schedule and timings of the order were there and everything was laid out for those who wanted one to put their money where there mouth was. You snooze you lose in this sort of thing.
They will be available over list soon no doubt.
Advevo said:
I have one on order also. Really looking forward to it.
I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
The 1M is heavier than an M2/M2C from what I can see; 1570kgs vs 1495/1520kgs if I remember correctly.I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
Edited by Water Fairy on Friday 22 April 20:13
Edited by Water Fairy on Friday 22 April 20:17
Volare said:
2022 had an allocation of 400 cars. That covers all 3 questions. I imagine order books for MY2023 will come late this year.
According to many of the press articles, Toyota sold its entire two-year allocation. See Evo for example. https://evo.co.uk/toyota/204406/toyota-gr86-sold-o...
So, if the media reports are to be believed, there is no further allocation.
Water Fairy said:
Advevo said:
I have one on order also. Really looking forward to it.
I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
A 1M is heavier than an M2/M2C from what I can see; 1495kgs vs 1520/1575kgs if I remember correctly.I am also a big BMW fan. I have owned most of the M cars. 1M coupe, M2 and older M3.
I still have my M2c but it is not as good as the 1m coupe. BMW M have become fat pigs! The M cars have grown to big and brings to much weight on the scales.
I now also own a Yaris GR all i can say that is a piece of art when driving that car. Toyota knows to keep the cars small and agile and low weight. The driving experience is so much better. I hardly use my M2c anymore. With the GR86 i might put the m2c on sale.
Low weight, 235hp and a small rwd car with LSD and 215/40/18 tires is about to hit the sweet spot for me! I don’t need 400 plus hp anymore. The fun is on backroads with nice corners. Small, Nimble and lightweight is key factor to have fun.
The reversed engineering of BMW M
Make cars bigger, heavier, more hp, wider wheels and tires, bigger heavier brakes is the wrong way around. After the 1m coupe it went completely wrong at BMW
There are always badge buyers for them these heavy cars are perfect. For the drivers who wants fun in corners there is Toyota GR. I am real happy they build cars like the yaris GR, GR86 and Corolla GR for us drivers!
I had the joy of doing a few laps back-to-back on track in an A110, A110S and a Megan Trophy recently. The Meg was certainly a great car, fantastic chassis with good turn in. but really, it was heavy, especially after the Alpines. superb road car I suspect, but despite its precision I wouldn't want one as a track car. it's been a while since I had my 86 on track and I always thought that was little heavy too, but at least it was flat and balanced.
I did just 6 laps in each car, so not too much time to get acquainted, but it did reaffirm my preference for lightweight.
I did just 6 laps in each car, so not too much time to get acquainted, but it did reaffirm my preference for lightweight.
Sajinsanand said:
Thanks for posting that link however Toyota haven't said whether any more GR86s will be offered for sale in the UK.LeoSayer said:
Sajinsanand said:
Thanks for posting that link however Toyota haven't said whether any more GR86s will be offered for sale in the UK.The sales manager at my supplying dealer is of the opinion the full production allocation has gone based on Comms he had from Toyota.
SidewaysSi said:
The best affordable sports car but the rear seats are fecking useless if the same as the old one. Think my 911 is more practical in that regard.
Which puts it in a rather tricky position for me unfortunately.
ADAC say this about the 997: “There is little space at the rear, passengers over 1.50 in size have contact with the roof and the seat backrests.”Which puts it in a rather tricky position for me unfortunately.
and this about the GT86: “There is hardly any space on the two emergency seats in the rear - these are absolutely not suitable for long distances. If the front seats are set to 1.85 m tall people, the legroom in the rear is sufficient for a maximum of 1.56 m tall people.”
I tried my children in the back of a GT86 and found my daughter (162cm) had a few cm clearance to the roof, so as a 2+1 we should be OK for a few years with her in the front and son behind as he’s much smaller.
As a 2+2 with my wife on board he’d have to sit cross legged behind me, so not ideal!
bennno said:
LeoSayer said:
Sajinsanand said:
Thanks for posting that link however Toyota haven't said whether any more GR86s will be offered for sale in the UK.The sales manager at my supplying dealer is of the opinion the full production allocation has gone based on Comms he had from Toyota.
“There will be another opportunity for customers to obtain a GR sports car with manual transmission later this year, following Toyota’s recent announcement that it will introduce a manual version of the GR Supra coupe. Further details will be announced soon.”
You’d have thought if there was another batch they’d have said there will be another opportunity to get a GR86.
Very excited about this as it will be my first new car. I've never thought that anything looked good enough value before now. I ordered when the site went live briefly the weekend before.
So far the only contact i've had was the email tjat suggested it could arrive in August. I understand that some people are being given earlier dates when the dealers call them however. It'll be interesting to see what happens as i must be near the front of the queue. The mrs would probaby like it to be late (and get a '72' plate) but i couldn't care less.
I am considering buying the 'duck tail' spoiler though to fit straight away.
So far the only contact i've had was the email tjat suggested it could arrive in August. I understand that some people are being given earlier dates when the dealers call them however. It'll be interesting to see what happens as i must be near the front of the queue. The mrs would probaby like it to be late (and get a '72' plate) but i couldn't care less.
I am considering buying the 'duck tail' spoiler though to fit straight away.
ecsrobin said:
bennno said:
LeoSayer said:
Sajinsanand said:
Thanks for posting that link however Toyota haven't said whether any more GR86s will be offered for sale in the UK.The sales manager at my supplying dealer is of the opinion the full production allocation has gone based on Comms he had from Toyota.
“There will be another opportunity for customers to obtain a GR sports car with manual transmission later this year, following Toyota’s recent announcement that it will introduce a manual version of the GR Supra coupe. Further details will be announced soon.”
You’d have thought if there was another batch they’d have said there will be another opportunity to get a GR86.
The new Toyota GR86 has proved an instant sell-out with the entire UK allocation of cars being snapped up within 90 minutes of going on sale on Wednesday morning (20 April).
And the 'when they are gone they are gone'
Plus that people were on a cancellation list, not on a list for potential future batches etc
As I put it's either very badly drafted and missed in proofreading, or they are all sold.
8 pages of comments in, and I remain gobsmacked - mostly over the fact that anyone is getting excited about the GR86. I am missing something massive here... but I don't think I am. My advice to anyone contemplating one of these is broadly "don't (mayble luckily you can't - for now)". But I guess that depends on how you're buying one.
- Leasing one - got for it; probably not your money anyhow.
- Buying one with cash - I guess you really want one; fill your boots, enjoy the drive (and you will).
- Buying one as an investment. Hahahahahaha No. Just no. These will never make money. Never. No way.
I know some of you will disagree, but this is merely the GT86 replacement after all, and that was a bit of an anticlimax.
- Leasing one - got for it; probably not your money anyhow.
- Buying one with cash - I guess you really want one; fill your boots, enjoy the drive (and you will).
- Buying one as an investment. Hahahahahaha No. Just no. These will never make money. Never. No way.
I know some of you will disagree, but this is merely the GT86 replacement after all, and that was a bit of an anticlimax.
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