RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes
Discussion
Cobracc said:
I can't believe the ridiculous hype surrounding this car...?!
It's basically just a tweaked GT86 with an even more archaic engine.
Yeah sounds like an awful thing.It's basically just a tweaked GT86 with an even more archaic engine.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/autocar-awards/...
Mr-B said:
Cobracc said:
I can't believe the ridiculous hype surrounding this car...?!
It's basically just a tweaked GT86 with an even more archaic engine.
Yeah sounds like an awful thing.It's basically just a tweaked GT86 with an even more archaic engine.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/autocar-awards/...
ecsrobin said:
It wasn’t exactly a big seller in the UK 5,000 sold in 9 years which is around 500 a year so with current restrictions in production probably why the UK has ended up with 400.
The GT86 was indeed a sales flop but I do think there is stronger demand for the GR86 due to the following:- GT86 was marketed as a bit of a whimsical product (prius tyres, really poor performance figures, an engine that needs to rev but doesnt quite want to) which I do think put people off. The GR actually posts some decent numbers and I think that extra final push marks it out as a bit more of a serious product which UK buyers seem to really value.
- GT86 had stiff competition when it was launched. You could buy a new 370z for one thing, and a fair few decent manual BMWs that werent humungous at the time. Beyond that, the second hand market for RWD sports cars was at an all time low during the mid 2010s. 200SXs, E36s and E46s were available for peanuts and I think most people who wanted affordable RWD thrills went down that route. Now those old cars are more expensive, even older, and less reliable and the only competition the GR86 has from new cars is the MX5. Performance cars in general have got bigger and heavier since 2012 but the GR86 has kept the GT86 dimensions and is now in a class of two.
- GR86 looks better. I know much of this is subjective, but one thing that is objective IMO is that it looks like a more 'premium' product with design cues similar to the Lexus RC, LFA and a hint of (baby) Porsche. Not at all saying it will be mistaken for any of those but in my eyes its a way more respectable looking car that finally has some sort of link to Toyota's modern performance heritage.
- The GR brand has some genuine cachet following the launch of the fantastic Yaris and the mythical never to be seen Corolla. Rising tides lift all boats.
I've come from a long line of RWD cars but I personally never once considered buying a GT86 new or second hand. I didn't love how it looked and wasn't interested in spending so much money on a car that would be outdragged (and out-drifted) by an E36 328i.
When the details and pictures of the GR86 were released I was immediately interested, and I was completely happy to commit to a blind purchase on the basis of what I saw. On the GR Zoo forum I think more than 70% of buyers have never owned a GT86. As much as it is 'just an update', it appears to be a comprehensively better car and subsequently seems to have a far, far broader appeal.
On that note, there are many, many, examples of 'updated' cars being far more desirable than those that preceded. The S15 vs S14 Silvia is a prime example, with it being based on the exact same chassis and almost identical mechanicals. 350z DE vs HR is another, with HR examples being worth double the DE. E46 M3 CS vs non CS, even though the mechanical differences are so minimal. List goes on...
I think Toyota have limited supply to create more hype and lore around the GR brand so that 10 years down the line they can sell you some wheels and a lip kit for your electric corolla daily, and personally I think the margins on the GR86 are likely much lower than on their main models so they would simply rather focus their supply chains on their hybrid crossover range. I don't think the demand is particularly limited now, especially since they closed the waiting list after more than 1,000 people signed up - thats without test drives or european media releases! People may scoff but I simply can't see any other manufacturer bothering to make a decent lightweight,RWD, manual, LSD shod sportscar like this again for this price after 2024.
BorkBorkBork said:
According to Toyota, ‘More than two thirds of the GR86 is all-new compared with the GT86.’ So this notion it’s just a tweaked version of the GT doesn’t hold up either. It’s a different car, that shares similar DNA.
That's more marketing than actual technology, under the skin the car is actually very similar the GT86 technically, and hence feels fairly similar. It seems to sadly lost some steering feel and rawness, but gained in other areas, primarily on the engine side of course. If you head over to the American site Ft86club.com there's lots and lots written about the new gen since they've had it for quite a while now, (they are well underway modding them and tracking them. Since they are pretty much the same under the skin the after market have had a great short cut) And many of them had Gt86/BRZs before that. Mr-B said:
Sounds serious-good what they say, specially for a relative cheap car.a week or so ago I came across its older version, but it had a engine swap, a LS3 but also double the price... and I guess not double the fun, although its fun to hear such engine and when you are on a straight and flooring it to feel the power and hear the engine.
https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?ac...
Gooly said:
- GT86 had stiff competition when it was launched. You could buy a new 370z for one thing, and a fair few decent manual BMWs that werent humungous at the time. Beyond that, the second hand market for RWD sports cars was at an all time low during the mid 2010s. 200SXs, E36s and E46s were available for peanuts and I think most people who wanted affordable RWD thrills went down that route. Now those old cars are more expensive, even older, and less reliable and the only competition the GR86 has from new cars is the MX5. Performance cars in general have got bigger and heavier since 2012 but the GR86 has kept the GT86 dimensions and is now in a class of two.
That's interesting as I got to drive one up the Goodwood hill at the 2012 launch, but they gave me an Auto. 
I really wanted to like it and I loved the handling, but the engine seemed a bit gutless and wheezy.
Anyway I tried again booking a test drive in a manual one in April 2014 but when we got down to talking numbers with a couple of options the long-awaited £20K sports car was over £27K, and wasn't any quicker than my 123d!
So a few months later I bought a 54K mile 3 litre BMW Z4 Coupe for just under £10K which seemed like a bargain, and had some torque.
A couple of years ago I bought a Z4M Coupe and love it - the GR86 just seems like too little too late.
Mr Tidy said:
Anyway I tried again booking a test drive in a manual one in April 2014 but when we got down to talking numbers with a couple of options the long-awaited £20K sports car was over £27K, and wasn't any quicker than my 123d!
Hmmm, it was never a £20k car to start with? The RRP was £25k back in 2012. Out of interest when you factor in inflation thats £29k today, which is bang on for the new one.There were good details for the GT86 when it was available, I got mine including the JBL sound system (£1.2k) package and heated half leather (£1.2k) for £22,865, that was April 15, you could get the base Primo for a touch over £20k. Absolute bargain come to think of it now.
Volare said:
Hmmm, it was never a £20k car to start with? The RRP was £25k back in 2012. Out of interest when you factor in inflation thats £29k today, which is bang on for the new one.
There were good details for the GT86 when it was available, I got mine including the JBL sound system (£1.2k) package and heated half leather (£1.2k) for £22,865, that was April 15, you could get the base Primo for a touch over £20k. Absolute bargain come to think of it now.
^^this I paid £23k in 2012 so in anyones world £30k in 2022 is a bargain IMO that’s why I snapped their hands off even treated myself to the Electric Blue paint. Taking a punt as never driven it but had a GT86 for many years so it addresses all the things that annoyed me (hopefully). I cannot see these flooding the market and flipping as listening to folks who have ordered (dedicated forum has almost 50% of allocation for the UK) one the first question you ask is so what do I buy now instead that new and has a decent 5-10 year warranty. I think the cost of entry and more importantly for me the cost of ownership should be pretty low. There were good details for the GT86 when it was available, I got mine including the JBL sound system (£1.2k) package and heated half leather (£1.2k) for £22,865, that was April 15, you could get the base Primo for a touch over £20k. Absolute bargain come to think of it now.
Volare said:
Hmmm, it was never a £20k car to start with? The RRP was £25k back in 2012. Out of interest when you factor in inflation thats £29k today, which is bang on for the new one.
There were good details for the GT86 when it was available, I got mine including the JBL sound system (£1.2k) package and heated half leather (£1.2k) for £22,865, that was April 15, you could get the base Primo for a touch over £20k. Absolute bargain come to think of it now.
It may be inflation, but I think to many it feels like a price increase simply because for many, wages haven't kept up with inflation. There were good details for the GT86 when it was available, I got mine including the JBL sound system (£1.2k) package and heated half leather (£1.2k) for £22,865, that was April 15, you could get the base Primo for a touch over £20k. Absolute bargain come to think of it now.
I'm in a better than average paid job but I couldn't justify 30k on a car, unfortunately. I'll stick with my 6k 200bhp mx5, I'm sure I'll survive
One day... Or maybe not considering how rare these things are going to be.
For the first time I can remember, I was considering buying a car from new, because the GR86 seems to be just what I am looking for in a car. I took my eye off the ball though, and wasn't paying enough attention to know that numbers for the UK were limited, and that I wouldn't be able to just wander into a dealership in a year's time and buy one.
In an age where almost everything that interests me on the used market seems to be £25k+, just under £30k for a new car with this specification seems really decent value. I love the fact that there's basically one specification, and that's it (save for colour and transmission). I think it looks great, if you try and ignore the Insignia bum. And a ten year warranty! I'm kicking myself a bit that I wasn't more in tune with the release. I haven't exactly got £30k burning a hole in my pocket, but it's incredibly rare that a car seems to serve up exactly what I'm after for such a price. I thought my car priorities were a bit unusual, but the near-instant sell-out shows how mainstream I am!
Fingers crossed more can be produced before 2024, and more are allocated to the UK, but I won't be holding my breath
In an age where almost everything that interests me on the used market seems to be £25k+, just under £30k for a new car with this specification seems really decent value. I love the fact that there's basically one specification, and that's it (save for colour and transmission). I think it looks great, if you try and ignore the Insignia bum. And a ten year warranty! I'm kicking myself a bit that I wasn't more in tune with the release. I haven't exactly got £30k burning a hole in my pocket, but it's incredibly rare that a car seems to serve up exactly what I'm after for such a price. I thought my car priorities were a bit unusual, but the near-instant sell-out shows how mainstream I am!
Fingers crossed more can be produced before 2024, and more are allocated to the UK, but I won't be holding my breath
Prawo Jazdy said:
Fingers crossed more can be produced before 2024, and more are allocated to the UK, but I won't be holding my breath
All the noises are that this is it, there is nothing else coming out after the initial 400(or so). I'm still waiting to hear anything from Toyota nearly 4 weeks after paying them my reservation fee.
Prawo Jazdy said:
For the first time I can remember, I was considering buying a car from new, because the GR86 seems to be just what I am looking for in a car. I took my eye off the ball though, and wasn't paying enough attention to know that numbers for the UK were limited, and that I wouldn't be able to just wander into a dealership in a year's time and buy one.
In an age where almost everything that interests me on the used market seems to be £25k+, just under £30k for a new car with this specification seems really decent value. I love the fact that there's basically one specification, and that's it (save for colour and transmission). I think it looks great, if you try and ignore the Insignia bum. And a ten year warranty! I'm kicking myself a bit that I wasn't more in tune with the release. I haven't exactly got £30k burning a hole in my pocket, but it's incredibly rare that a car seems to serve up exactly what I'm after for such a price. I thought my car priorities were a bit unusual, but the near-instant sell-out shows how mainstream I am!
Fingers crossed more can be produced before 2024, and more are allocated to the UK, but I won't be holding my breath
I ordered a Fiesta ST earlier in the year, basically forgot about the GR86 or at least wasnt aware it was available to order any time soonIn an age where almost everything that interests me on the used market seems to be £25k+, just under £30k for a new car with this specification seems really decent value. I love the fact that there's basically one specification, and that's it (save for colour and transmission). I think it looks great, if you try and ignore the Insignia bum. And a ten year warranty! I'm kicking myself a bit that I wasn't more in tune with the release. I haven't exactly got £30k burning a hole in my pocket, but it's incredibly rare that a car seems to serve up exactly what I'm after for such a price. I thought my car priorities were a bit unusual, but the near-instant sell-out shows how mainstream I am!
Fingers crossed more can be produced before 2024, and more are allocated to the UK, but I won't be holding my breath
Noticed it on a forum only 4 days before the order books opened and ordered on one a whim
No idea when itll turn up
The whole thing feels like an orchestrated feeding frenzy - fuelled by the GR Yaris launch. Seems to be a awful lot of FOMO around the GR86.
I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
evil.edna said:
The whole thing feels like an orchestrated feeding frenzy - fuelled by the GR Yaris launch. Seems to be a awful lot of FOMO around the GR86.
I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
‘Summer of fun’ may be severely restricted by most cars not arriving until the Autumn unfortunately. I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
evil.edna said:
The whole thing feels like an orchestrated feeding frenzy - fuelled by the GR Yaris launch. Seems to be a awful lot of FOMO around the GR86.
I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
Toyota certainly did a good job building up demand and not just in the UK. However most of the demand seems to have arisen from the universally positive reviews. I am also wondering how many of the people with firm orders placed are purely speculating on being able to flip the car after they have had their summer of fun - nothing wrong with that and many people have done it in the past with other vehicles.
I have a feeling the imminent financial forecast may disrupt the plans of a proportion of buyers.
The £1k deposit is refundable if you change your mind before taking delivery but there is (apparently) a waiting list of over 1,000 people.
I ordered the car so I'd have something fun that's cheap to run, reliable and I wouldn't have to be too precious about. If the car turns out to be super rare and valuable then I'll probably start treating it like a garage queen.
I wouldn't flip but would consider swapping for an A110 or Emira
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