RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes
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I think we could end up in a weird situation in a few years where a second hand GR86 is worth the same on the second hand market as an equivalent Cayman, Evora etc, which would be kind of weird for a car only fractionally better than the car it replaced. 
Maybe for those of us who want one in future, second hand, we might be importing them from Japan instead, much like the DC2 ITR, FD2 CTR etc etc...
Maybe for those of us who want one in future, second hand, we might be importing them from Japan instead, much like the DC2 ITR, FD2 CTR etc etc...
TameRacingDriver said:
I think we could end up in a weird situation in a few years where a second hand GR86 is worth the same on the second hand market as an equivalent Cayman, Evora etc, which would be kind of weird for a car only fractionally better than the car it replaced.
Maybe for those of us who want one in future, second hand, we might be importing them from Japan instead, much like the DC2 ITR, FD2 CTR etc etc...
I think you might be right...on both counts. If I really wanted one, I would happily import one from Japan.Maybe for those of us who want one in future, second hand, we might be importing them from Japan instead, much like the DC2 ITR, FD2 CTR etc etc...
However, I can't help feeling the GT86 is not that much of an inferior drivers car. I am secretly hoping that GT86 prices soften a little bit. I would like a facelift version but nice ones are around 20k plus.
I think the GR86 is a fabulous thing but even at 30k it is just a tad too expensive for my pocket.
However, if a nice facelift GT comes up at around the 15k mark, it may be enough to make me put my hand in my pocket. Looking at current prices, I might be waiting a long time.
evil.edna said:
I think you might be right...on both counts. If I really wanted one, I would happily import one from Japan.
However, I can't help feeling the GT86 is not that much of an inferior drivers car. I am secretly hoping that GT86 prices soften a little bit. I would like a facelift version but nice ones are around 20k plus.
I think the GR86 is a fabulous thing but even at 30k it is just a tad too expensive for my pocket.
However, if a nice facelift GT comes up at around the 15k mark, it may be enough to make me put my hand in my pocket. Looking at current prices, I might be waiting a long time.
Facelift GT86’s are still strong money I sold my GT86 (21 reg 3k) a couple of months ago to a dealer for £25.5k (they were 150miles away and picked it up - I noticed they marketed it at £29k and was removed a week later). Only reason I sold was the plan was to get a GR86 and needed the equity to put towards my order which fortunately I got in:…. just! Roll on SeptemberHowever, I can't help feeling the GT86 is not that much of an inferior drivers car. I am secretly hoping that GT86 prices soften a little bit. I would like a facelift version but nice ones are around 20k plus.
I think the GR86 is a fabulous thing but even at 30k it is just a tad too expensive for my pocket.
However, if a nice facelift GT comes up at around the 15k mark, it may be enough to make me put my hand in my pocket. Looking at current prices, I might be waiting a long time.
I work at Portbury dock in Bristol and this morning I went on board one of the vessels we are agent for that is discharging Toyota's, sure enough there were GR86 on board!
Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
the_bakerboy3685 said:
I work at Portbury dock in Bristol and this morning I went on board one of the vessels we are agent for that is discharging Toyota's, sure enough there were GR86 on board!
Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
Strange they were LHD, is it possible they’ll be loaded on another ship for a different country or will these definitely be for the U.K.?Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
AmosMoses said:
Really keen to try one, but without any cars to purchase it makes a demo feel pretty daft.
If you really want one then I'm sure there will be some available at a premium, cancellations etcThat said I think this one could be a keeper for me personally if I can afford to, I imagine many people will. Not for investment reasons, just because it'll be something a bit special (to me at least, just think it'll be good fun)
Bathroom_Security said:
AmosMoses said:
Really keen to try one, but without any cars to purchase it makes a demo feel pretty daft.
If you really want one then I'm sure there will be some available at a premium, cancellations etcThat said I think this one could be a keeper for me personally if I can afford to, I imagine many people will. Not for investment reasons, just because it'll be something a bit special (to me at least, just think it'll be good fun)
I can't help but feel that Toyota really don't know what they're doing when it comes to UK allocations. They produce loads of GT86s, and by all accounts, they sold very poorly. So then they go and fix the issues of that car, and the demand, probably also on the back of the success of the GRY, goes through the roof.... so they restrict numbers to 400.
The GRY was a big success... yet they don't bring the GR Corolla here. It would be a smash hit IMO.
And I'm completely making this up now, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the manual version of the Supra only reached the states too, where the vast majority drive autos.
Come on man Toyota, get a grip!! You're seriously missing a trick here.
The GRY was a big success... yet they don't bring the GR Corolla here. It would be a smash hit IMO.
And I'm completely making this up now, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the manual version of the Supra only reached the states too, where the vast majority drive autos.
Come on man Toyota, get a grip!! You're seriously missing a trick here.
Pistonpants said:
the_bakerboy3685 said:
I work at Portbury dock in Bristol and this morning I went on board one of the vessels we are agent for that is discharging Toyota's, sure enough there were GR86 on board!
Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
Strange they were LHD, is it possible they’ll be loaded on another ship for a different country or will these definitely be for the U.K.?Looks great in the flesh especially in Red and White, the only ones I could see were left hand drive.
However I believe there are 27 on board for the UK discharging today, probably going to dealers I imagine!
Bathroom_Security said:
AmosMoses said:
Really keen to try one, but without any cars to purchase it makes a demo feel pretty daft.
If you really want one then I'm sure there will be some available at a premium, cancellations etcThat said I think this one could be a keeper for me personally if I can afford to, I imagine many people will. Not for investment reasons, just because it'll be something a bit special (to me at least, just think it'll be good fun)
As a GT86 owner I am delighted the GR86 is proving such a success, although I'm a little puzzled why a car that is a subtle re-work of the car it is replacing is selling like hot-cakes! Sure it's a bit faster (0-60 in 5.9 v 6.3 secs) but the biggest issue for me is the fuel economy which is markedly worse. I'm seeing owners reporting 24mpg average v the 33/34 mpg my GT86 averages. That is a whopping increase in running costs for anybody planning on commuting as I do (around 15000-20000 miles a year).
Despite that I applaud Toyota who along with Mazda are just about the only car-maker still making a superb rear wheel drive sports car that normal people can afford. The GT86 is quite simply one of the very best drivers car money can buy at any price and the GR86 with a stiffer chassis and more power is going to be even better. You have to move up to something like a Lotus Evora to better it and that's a whole different ball-game cost-wise.
Toyota have a smash hit on their hands - and they richly deserve it because they persevered in building build sublimely enjoyable sports cars that are staggeringly reliable, safe and comfortable for the weekday commute and then turn into automotive masterpieces when you want to go for a spirited drive at the weekend or blast them around a track. I run a 1992 4.0 litre V8 TVR Griffith too, but I would never consider commuting in it, the running costs are far higher, the handling is nowhere near as good and I'd say the GT86 is 80% as rewarding to drive. On a twisty B road point to point there wouldn't be much to choose between them for pace either, although the Griffith would leave any 86 for dust on the straights.
So I'm absolutely certain that those of you with a GR86 coming are going to adore it and wonder why the hell you never bought a GT86 before!
Welcome to the fold...
Saxon
Despite that I applaud Toyota who along with Mazda are just about the only car-maker still making a superb rear wheel drive sports car that normal people can afford. The GT86 is quite simply one of the very best drivers car money can buy at any price and the GR86 with a stiffer chassis and more power is going to be even better. You have to move up to something like a Lotus Evora to better it and that's a whole different ball-game cost-wise.
Toyota have a smash hit on their hands - and they richly deserve it because they persevered in building build sublimely enjoyable sports cars that are staggeringly reliable, safe and comfortable for the weekday commute and then turn into automotive masterpieces when you want to go for a spirited drive at the weekend or blast them around a track. I run a 1992 4.0 litre V8 TVR Griffith too, but I would never consider commuting in it, the running costs are far higher, the handling is nowhere near as good and I'd say the GT86 is 80% as rewarding to drive. On a twisty B road point to point there wouldn't be much to choose between them for pace either, although the Griffith would leave any 86 for dust on the straights.
So I'm absolutely certain that those of you with a GR86 coming are going to adore it and wonder why the hell you never bought a GT86 before!
Welcome to the fold...
Saxon
saxon said:
As a GT86 owner I am delighted the GR86 is proving such a success, although I'm a little puzzled why a car that is a subtle re-work of the car it is replacing is selling like hot-cakes! Sure it's a bit faster (0-60 in 5.9 v 6.3 secs) but the biggest issue for me is the fuel economy which is markedly worse. I'm seeing owners reporting 24mpg average v the 33/34 mpg my GT86 averages.
Spot on as a fellow GT86 owner (4 of them) who has ordered a GR86 I always wondered why they never sold in greater numbers but I guess it always felt sort of exclusive.I purchased my first for about £23k in 2012 and by the time I was on my 3rd in 2018 (pcp junky) it was £29k which at the time was steep and had fierce competition. Regarding the MPG doesn’t both me as it’s not my daily but I think the figures are US quoted and a US gallon is 3.4 litres v UK which is 4.5 I think (happy to be corrected) which makes it broadly similar to my old GT86.
saxon said:
...but the biggest issue for me is the fuel economy which is markedly worse. I'm seeing owners reporting 24mpg average v the 33/34 mpg my GT86 averages. That is a whopping increase in running costs for anybody planning on commuting as I do (around 15000-20000 miles a year).
You are comparing American gallons with UK. The difference is negligible.
saxon said:
As a GT86 owner I am delighted the GR86 is proving such a success, although I'm a little puzzled why a car that is a subtle re-work of the car it is replacing is selling like hot-cakes!
It's fairly straightforward. Toyota fixed all main 'issues' that (rightly or wrongly) stopped people from buying the GT86 ie. the power, torque and torque dip. They also significantly improved the looks to my eyes.
Add in universally positive reviews, clearly published warnings about the limited production run, increasing values of used cars and the backdrop of the global chip shortage and it was inevitable there would be huge demand.
In my case, all the above tipped me over the edge from GT86 which I wanted, to a GR86 which I absolutely had to have.
If the UK allocation will only be 400 cars then that is such a small fraction of the number of GT86 sold over the course of 8-9 years (7,500).
Toyota told me by e-mail that the copy of my driving license needed sending again, but not how to get it to them, so I called the number I had and basically the guy on the phone went through the order I have with them (like an introduction). Seems I might not get the car until very late 2022 early 2023.
Looks like I'll have to keep driving my 20 year old Mercedes beater a bit longer
Looks like I'll have to keep driving my 20 year old Mercedes beater a bit longer
The GT86 sold way more than the GR86 has done in the beginning, but its kind of impossible to compare since the supply is so very limited, like on many cars. The GT sold in pretty massive numbers globally, i wonder how many GR86 they will be able to put out there, maybe a quarter at best if this supply issue continues, residuals will be strong for sure.
CedricN said:
The GT86 sold way more than the GR86 has done in the beginning, but its kind of impossible to compare since the supply is so very limited, like on many cars. The GT sold in pretty massive numbers globally, i wonder how many GR86 they will be able to put out there, maybe a quarter at best if this supply issue continues, residuals will be strong for sure.
It’s only Europe that’s the issue rest of the world can carry on for as long as Toyota/subaru wants to continue manufacturing chopper602 said:
Toyota told me by e-mail that the copy of my driving license needed sending again, but not how to get it to them, so I called the number I had and basically the guy on the phone went through the order I have with them (like an introduction). Seems I might not get the car until very late 2022 early 2023.
Looks like I'll have to keep driving my 20 year old Mercedes beater a bit longer
Out of interest what time did your original confirmation email come through?Looks like I'll have to keep driving my 20 year old Mercedes beater a bit longer
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