RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes
Discussion
LBW2020 said:
Actually i have driven both and i didnt really like either of them, their fun to drive but to be honest my mates old MG BGT i enjoyed more for some reason, i think its just a personal preference thing.
Dont get me wrong i am not slagging the GR86 off i just wish it had more power then i think it could be really something special but its just my old opinion.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that comparison - whatever made the BGT enjoyable to you, it wasn't the power, was it?Dont get me wrong i am not slagging the GR86 off i just wish it had more power then i think it could be really something special but its just my old opinion.
clarki said:
I was too slow, grrrrrr!!
Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
I wanted to get a GT86 when it was launched, but circumstances didn't allow it. The GR86 came along at a perfect time for me, and I was lucky enough to get my order confirmed yesterday. Sorry - but won't be flipping this one - she's a keeper!Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
clarki said:
I was too slow, grrrrrr!!
Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I intend to keep it long term. I bought it to own it and enjoy it.Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
spikyone said:
This is exactly what certain German brands have been doing for years, and you're pissing your pants because you (wrongly) think Toyota are doing it? There were plenty of people on here complaining that the monthlies on the original GT86 were expensive compared to, say, a Golf R or Audi TT. And the reason for that is that the car held its value far better than Toyota expected.
The PCP values Toyota are using now are very much realistic. With the oldest ones coming up to 10 years old, the cheapest GT86 advertised on PH is currently £12k, and they never really dropped under £10k. For a car that started out at £25k, that's at least 40% of its value at 10 years. 55% at four years in the current market? Unless ICE cars are hit with exorbitant taxes by then, they'll easily achieve that, because the original GT86 did.
They're not artificially restricting supply either. The car won't be legal to sell here in a couple of years, and they can't just ignore other markets to build more for the UK in that time. I'd bet the factory will be maxed out. The GT86 sold in good numbers in the US, Japan, and Australia.
I get that you've missed out but you need a dose of reality and to take ownership of your choices.
fella i don't have a problem with it , i won't lose any sleep that's for sure and if I'm honest my comfort zone is the sensible approach, its not always the sexy approach but its the approach i prefer, its probably why my job is an Underwriter. The PCP values Toyota are using now are very much realistic. With the oldest ones coming up to 10 years old, the cheapest GT86 advertised on PH is currently £12k, and they never really dropped under £10k. For a car that started out at £25k, that's at least 40% of its value at 10 years. 55% at four years in the current market? Unless ICE cars are hit with exorbitant taxes by then, they'll easily achieve that, because the original GT86 did.
They're not artificially restricting supply either. The car won't be legal to sell here in a couple of years, and they can't just ignore other markets to build more for the UK in that time. I'd bet the factory will be maxed out. The GT86 sold in good numbers in the US, Japan, and Australia.
I get that you've missed out but you need a dose of reality and to take ownership of your choices.
I have plenty of great cars in the garage to keep me happy, EP3 type R on German plates that lives at a well known track, full track spec BMW 130i, an Ohlins equipped 32s suzuki swift sport and a s
te box diesel Fabia..... it's just like others have said , many of us are used to having buying power, probably an age thing when cash was king and you could "old ert your hand" and have a deal. It was an experience but now its no different to buy a mobile phone online, i've just not adjusted.the idea was the GR would replace the later 3 since i now work at home mostly, keep the Ep3 where it is for insurance etc on that well known track, then the GR replace the 130i, as i love the rear wheel drive LSD fun, the swift as i love the dependability of a jap car and the diesel needs to go anyway as i no longer commute into London anymore and it just sits there gathering dust.
Nothing more, and yes had i been home yesterday instead of at Cadwell no doubt i would have read it full and placed an order as that was a good deal being refundable, which makes me think a fair few will cancel as finance affordability reduces with SVR ont he march up still I've added name to wait list and just spoken with a local dealer who thinks they may well have something so not to fret like the PH daily mail headline states. Hopefully i may get to expereicne a new car petrol engine one last time
Decent amount of bell-ends on a 3 page thread already - not bad going 
I bought mine as I think it has EXACTLY the correct amount of power for it's weight, it's RWD with LSD, and for the price it has no competitors. The fact they've built it at all is a miracle, given the state of the market, the rush to net-zero etc.
There's no 'hype' really, not in the Porsche/ferrari/M-car sense - it's just a very niche product, designed for petrolheads. It wasn't designed to enable competition like the GR Yaris, it wasn't designed as a 'halo car', it was designed to appeal to, and be affordable for, driving enthusiasts.
If you're still shaking your head and thinking 'yeah but 320d Auto quicker at the lights bruv', then close your laptop, throw it in the bin and forget about posting on a car enthusiasts messageboard.
I bought mine as I think it has EXACTLY the correct amount of power for it's weight, it's RWD with LSD, and for the price it has no competitors. The fact they've built it at all is a miracle, given the state of the market, the rush to net-zero etc.
There's no 'hype' really, not in the Porsche/ferrari/M-car sense - it's just a very niche product, designed for petrolheads. It wasn't designed to enable competition like the GR Yaris, it wasn't designed as a 'halo car', it was designed to appeal to, and be affordable for, driving enthusiasts.
If you're still shaking your head and thinking 'yeah but 320d Auto quicker at the lights bruv', then close your laptop, throw it in the bin and forget about posting on a car enthusiasts messageboard.
bqf said:
Decent amount of bell-ends on a 3 page thread already - not bad going
I bought mine as I think it has EXACTLY the correct amount of power for it's weight, it's RWD with LSD, and for the price it has no competitors. The fact they've built it at all is a miracle, given the state of the market, the rush to net-zero etc.
There's no 'hype' really, not in the Porsche/ferrari/M-car sense - it's just a very niche product, designed for petrolheads. It wasn't designed to enable competition like the GR Yaris, it wasn't designed as a 'halo car', it was designed to appeal to, and be affordable for, driving enthusiasts.
If you're still shaking your head and thinking 'yeah but 320d Auto quicker at the lights bruv', then close your laptop, throw it in the bin and forget about posting on a car enthusiasts messageboard.
100% all of the above. I've been wanting Toyota / Nissan / BMW to make a car with these specs for years - its only right that when Toyota (+ Subaru) stepped up to it that I should put my money where my mouth is. GT86 was not quite there for me but this hopefully will be.I bought mine as I think it has EXACTLY the correct amount of power for it's weight, it's RWD with LSD, and for the price it has no competitors. The fact they've built it at all is a miracle, given the state of the market, the rush to net-zero etc.
There's no 'hype' really, not in the Porsche/ferrari/M-car sense - it's just a very niche product, designed for petrolheads. It wasn't designed to enable competition like the GR Yaris, it wasn't designed as a 'halo car', it was designed to appeal to, and be affordable for, driving enthusiasts.
If you're still shaking your head and thinking 'yeah but 320d Auto quicker at the lights bruv', then close your laptop, throw it in the bin and forget about posting on a car enthusiasts messageboard.
Can definitely understand people's frustration with the buying process, but its the way of the world now. I do think Toyota's allocation is constrained by alot more than projected demand as well - its not easy to produce and sell a car like this in 2022 Europe anymore.
Worth noting that the deposit is 100% refundable - if you test drive one in June and think its a bit naff, you can walk away and lose nothing.
Conscript said:
Antj said:
in 2022 is anyone surprised.........
This is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
I'm gutted for you, I really am. And I kind of agree. I have to say though, this wasn't an impulse buy for me - I've owned a GT86 for nine years, not really seen anything else that attracted me as a replacement until it's successor was announced, so I started saving for it straight away. However, I do agree with you to an extent - usually I would just wait until the car was available as used approved and buy one then, but this is the first time I've plumped to buy something brand new, exactly because of a fear or missing out engineered by the short production run/allocation. This is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
If silly season starts on this, I may keep the GT86 and tweak it while i get a second luxury spec daily car.
Antj said:
in 2022 is anyone surprised.........
This is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
FOMO - Fear of missing outThis is 100% sales technique , all something that has become standard procedure now.
So its not that the GR86 is that AMAZING and life changing, there's plenty of cars at the same money that will do the same thing ( admittedly not brand new). However if you cast your mind back to the lacklustre take up on the GT86 and the way it sort of got forgotten very quickly after the hype. So when Toyota were releasing this Halo product it had to do well...... so how do you ensure it does well, you make everyone think they want it. keenly priced is a good start, the reained value toyota were using on a 4yr PCP deal made it silly cheap, well over 55% for 40k, long lead in time with lots of titillation from reviews is another way, but what's the ultimate way now? That's right just like the experts do, you make it unobtanium, a lot of people want what they can't have.
Actually pisses me off, as i am a buyer who doesn't just dive in head first like a lot of the new buyers, i'm older so i was on the release list, the email comes in to say ordering live. so i'm at Cadwell park on a trackday, think give me a few minutes and i'll look at that at lunch break........boom over.
that was that, no time to have a ponder, a sensible think, so stuff it I've gone from being a customer who was going to buy to someone left with a bad taste in their mouth thinking i'll take my cash elsewhere. so back to plan B and look at a used GT86
I know that Toyota or any other manufacturer won't give a toss as they love the hype and the way we are even talking about this now. but its another thing that's ruined. So call me doom and gloom but i look forward to a few years time when dealers can't give cars away then we get some buyer power back again instead of having to be thankful to get a slot for one of their cars----------
and no I'm not bitter,,,,,,, I am, but its just because i did actually want one, but for some of us a car is still a well thought out purchase and yes i blame my Dad for always saying "think things through fully" . I now see why old people get so miserable as now I've hit 40 I can see why,
davyvee said:
Not sure why toyota did it online only. Surely loads of these will no be popping up at independent dealers in three months time?
Flippers dream.
I'm not sure, but I gather it was because when the GR Yaris came out, lots of dealers bought them for "ghost" customers, registered them, then sold them on at a mark-up. So going online only was an attempt to mitigate that. Not sure how true it is though. Flippers dream.
Conscript said:
I'm not sure, but I gather it was because when the GR Yaris came out, lots of dealers bought them for "ghost" customers, registered them, then sold them on at a mark-up. So going online only was an attempt to mitigate that. Not sure how true it is though.
Toyota selling cars above list is a piss take and not something I would entertain.I think the online only makes it much easier for others to flip them. Too easy.
The toyota dealer i was talking to is thoroughly pissed off mind.
Another rang me this morning to say online ordering is live. Oh dear.
I reckon maybe 10 cars will have been bought to 'flip'. I couldn't give a monkeys about the residuals - I'm 49, if I look after it well, maintain it well, then it might outlive me. Will it be worth anything? Nope. Probably not a bean.
I don't care - i'll have had fun with it. Fun > Money.
I don't care - i'll have had fun with it. Fun > Money.
davyvee said:
Toyota selling cars above list is a piss take and not something I would entertain.
I think the online only makes it much easier for others to flip them. Too easy.
The toyota dealer i was talking to is thoroughly pissed off mind.
Another rang me this morning to say online ordering is live. Oh dear.
I'm not sure if that's what happened, I never really followed the GR Yaris at launch, so just speculation on my part. Either way it's been a shambles. I contacted my dealer when pricing was announced, they invited me down to talk about the car, finance options, part ex, etc. I left 2 hours later having paid a deposit and with an order form, thinking that was that, and I was guaranteed a new car.I think the online only makes it much easier for others to flip them. Too easy.
The toyota dealer i was talking to is thoroughly pissed off mind.
Another rang me this morning to say online ordering is live. Oh dear.
Two weeks later the dealer has to phone up and say Toyota GB have said all orders are to be done online when the site goes live, with no clarification on whether people who walked into the dealer like I did and "ordered" will still get a car. So I just ordered online myself and got my deposit back from the dealer. But it seems like Toyota GB pulled the rug from under their feet a little.
It pains me to say this, as I like the chassis Toyota have gone with for the GR86, but I just do not understand the hype.
The GR86 is expensive for what you get, which is a low powered car. For the same money, you can pick up a much faster BMW M2.
Yes, I've driven the old GT86 and it really didn't excite me. It felt flat, okay, it was good at B road bashing, but overall, I couldn't wait to get back into my current car at that time (BMW 135i coupe).
I can't help but feel that Toyota have completely missed a trick by not turbo / supercharging the new GR86. I would have bought one if they did, as I'm in the market for a new car and the only thing which is exciting me is a BMW M2.
Such a shame.
I would have loved some of the famous Toyota reliability, instead, I have to pay German car running costs and they aren't cheap when they go wrong.
The GR86 is expensive for what you get, which is a low powered car. For the same money, you can pick up a much faster BMW M2.
Yes, I've driven the old GT86 and it really didn't excite me. It felt flat, okay, it was good at B road bashing, but overall, I couldn't wait to get back into my current car at that time (BMW 135i coupe).
I can't help but feel that Toyota have completely missed a trick by not turbo / supercharging the new GR86. I would have bought one if they did, as I'm in the market for a new car and the only thing which is exciting me is a BMW M2.
Such a shame.
I would have loved some of the famous Toyota reliability, instead, I have to pay German car running costs and they aren't cheap when they go wrong.
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