RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes

[bqf]

ThisInJapanese said:

I understand the delay, I don't understand the lack of communication.

Even if they only have bad news to deliver, it will help many of us. They had a lot of goodwill at the start, but with no communication at all they are throwing that goodwill away in the eyes of many.

Exactly this. How many calls need to be made? it's 2 months almost since I paid my £1,000. To get an email saying 'we'll call you in 3 months' is a bit sh8t really isn't it.

[Pistonpants]

bennno said:

Nothing as yet, but he’s also said pdi’s taking place at Portbury.

Edited by bennno on Wednesday 22 June 06:37

PDIs at Portbury? I thought they normally go to Derby for that? If they get PDI’d at the port then I guess they can just put them on transporters direct to the dealers which will save them some transportation costs.

[TheGroover]

I've just had the call from Toyota - I am allocated in the next batch which is due Q1 next year. I was expecting it to be next year so not surprised by that. The wait continues!

[LeoSayer]

I had my first and only phone call from Toyota last week.

They didn't say anything about a batch - only that I would get it by 2024.

She said I was quite early in the priority order - because my order was placed at 10:19am but I'm not sure whether that counts for anything.

The wait continues. I was hoping to at least get a date so I can plan finances and some maintenance work on my other car but the lack of certainty does cause me a problem.

All the excitement and anticipation has completely drained away now.

[TameRacingDriver]

LeoSayer said:

They didn't say anything about a batch - only that I would get it by 2024.

I seriously hope thats a case of under promising and over delivering, Jesus, you'd think you were ordering a GT3RS or something.

[Bathroom_Security]

Apparently through to the 10:20 orders. About half way through the list

From that I read

[TheGroover]

Bathroom_Security said:

Apparently through to the 10:20 orders. About half way through the list

From that I read

My confirmation mail was at 10:23 so that seems about right.

[ITP]

LeoSayer said:

I had my first and only phone call from Toyota last week.

They didn't say anything about a batch - only that I would get it by 2024.

She said I was quite early in the priority order - because my order was placed at 10:19am but I'm not sure whether that counts for anything.

The wait continues. I was hoping to at least get a date so I can plan finances and some maintenance work on my other car but the lack of certainty does cause me a problem.

All the excitement and anticipation has completely drained away now.

Look at it another way.
If some said invest £1000 in apr 2022 and by 2024 it will be worth at least 5k (if you’ve lost interest in it and want to sell when it comes), you’d snap their hand off.

Anyway, I though most new cars were on 6-9-12 month lead times at the moment.

[LeoSayer]

ITP said:

Look at it another way.
If some said invest £1000 in apr 2022 and by 2024 it will be worth at least 5k (if you’ve lost interest in it and want to sell when it comes), you’d snap their hand off.

Anyway, I though most new cars were on 6-9-12 month lead times at the moment.

I didn't make it clear that I still really want the car. I'm sure all the excitement that was building over the past year will come back once I get close to a confirmed delivery date.

If I want to buy a new VW then they will tell me that I have a 12 month wait. Toyota were indicating 12 weeks for the GR86 so they've clearly massively underestimated the demand.

[TameRacingDriver]

If they're only bringing 400 to the UK then I'd argue that don't care about the demand.

[wyson]

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-toyota-gt86/

Can hardly blame them. Old one sold 1251 models across the whole of Europe in 2018. 920 in 2019, although I don’t know if that was affected by the pandemic.

Ferrari sold more 488’s than Toyota sold GT 86’s during that time period.

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-ferrari-488/

I wonder if it would have sold out if they weren’t limiting production to 2 years.

Edited by wyson on Friday 8th July 14:50

[LeoSayer]

wyson said:

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-toyota-gt86/

Can hardly blame them. Old one sold 1251 models across the whole of Europe in 2018. 920 in 2019, although I don’t know if that was affected by the pandemic.

Ferrari sold more 488’s than Toyota sold GT 86’s during that time period.

https://carsalesbase.com/europe-ferrari-488/

I wonder if it would have sold out if they weren’t limiting production to 2 years.

Extrapolating from the UK stats linked below, Toyota seemed to have sold 6,000 GT86 from 2012-2014 (average 2,000 per year) and only 2,600 from 2015 to 2020 (average c.400 per year).

That probably reflects that aside from a minor cosmetic facelift and a host of special editions, the car didn't get upgraded through the whole 8 years of production.

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...

If Toyota were selling 400 GT86s per year at the end of its run then clearly 400 is far too small a production run for 2 year given such a major upgrade with the GR86.

I assume they are simply limiting production numbers in favour of more profitable models and/or due to supply chain issues.

[doogle83]

LeoSayer said:

I assume they are simply limiting production numbers in favour of more profitable models and/or due to supply chain issues.

Probably easier and cheaper to keep churning them out for the US and more local markets rather than worry about us.

[apx7]

doogle83 said:

Probably easier and cheaper to keep churning them out for the US and more local markets rather than worry about us.

Indeed, the demand is far higher in US/JP.

[S6 ROR]

When are the demonstrators arriving at the dealers. I was told June originally, but rang the dealers last week in Cambridge and they said they would get someone to ring me back, and guess what, yes 6 days later, still waiting for the call.

[callahan]

S6 ROR said:

When are the demonstrators arriving at the dealers. I was told June originally, but rang the dealers last week in Cambridge and they said they would get someone to ring me back, and guess what, yes 6 days later, still waiting for the call.

I've been trying to get an answer out of another dealer in the same group for ages, with the same response. Not sure if their phones work for outbound calls.

[Das Baron]

My car is still sitting at the dealership. They have no information as to the next steps.

Same across Switzerland right now. I'm connected with another 5 guys here, 4 pre-ordered like myself and one just bought the dealer showroom car last week. 3 of us have cars in dealerships but no movement. The other 3 are expecting the cars to arrive in the next couple of weeks.

I know that a couple of guys in Belgium have the cars and are driving around without any recall information.

Smoke and Mirrors

[DelicaL400]

Das Baron said:

My car is still sitting at the dealership. They have no information as to the next steps.

Same across Switzerland right now.

It's the same in the UK. The first two deliveries of UK cars have been sat at Derby/Portbury for several weeks, Toyota Online won't say why and won't give any estimated date for delivery. Dealers are, in some cases, giving a delivery date based on what Toyota have put on their system but these are proving to be false.

It'd be nice if Toyota were honest with both their customers and dealers... I suppose they've got a waiting list of a 1,000 so basic customer service doesn't matter, if a few orders get cancelled they aren't going to care.

[Das Baron]

I was just informed there will not be a "solution" until September at the earliest.

My car is sitting at the dealership for exactly 1 month today.

I'm surprised that not a single Automotive Journalist has picked up on this and done some actual Journalism and asked Toyota wtf is going on.

[ecsrobin]

Das Baron said:

I was just informed there will not be a "solution" until September at the earliest.

My car is sitting at the dealership for exactly 1 month today.

I'm surprised that not a single Automotive Journalist has picked up on this and done some actual Journalism and asked Toyota wtf is going on.

Apparently the official line is to do a Europe wide launch.

The unofficial line is Toyota messed up the order and the car has arrived with 3 wrong items that should be standard in Europe. One of these is rumoured to be no GPF which is required to be legal.