RE: Toyota GR86 sells out in 40 minutes
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Seems like a decent deal to me. I'd rather a convertible for the "fun, medium-performance" car but TBH there's not much around in that price bracket.
I see some people are questioning the performance - remember the BRZ/GT86/GR86 ethos has never been about high-performance, it's all about being fun and rewarding to drive. Still fairly quick, 200+bhp in a car of that weight is pretty nippy, and being a well set-up light-ish car it's going to be sprightly and predictable on the corners. You can find plenty that is faster, but I doubt there's much if anything that will be as enjoyable and (importantly) won't lead to unplanned off-road excursions or many many licence points.
A diesel 3er might be as fast but it's a car designed for family motorway trips and won't be as fun on the twisties.
I see some people are questioning the performance - remember the BRZ/GT86/GR86 ethos has never been about high-performance, it's all about being fun and rewarding to drive. Still fairly quick, 200+bhp in a car of that weight is pretty nippy, and being a well set-up light-ish car it's going to be sprightly and predictable on the corners. You can find plenty that is faster, but I doubt there's much if anything that will be as enjoyable and (importantly) won't lead to unplanned off-road excursions or many many licence points.
A diesel 3er might be as fast but it's a car designed for family motorway trips and won't be as fun on the twisties.
Networkgeek said:
It pains me to say this, as I like the chassis Toyota have gone with for the GR86, but I just do not understand the hype.
The GR86 is expensive for what you get, which is a low powered car. For the same money, you can pick up a much faster BMW M2.
Yes, I've driven the old GT86 and it really didn't excite me. It felt flat, okay, it was good at B road bashing, but overall, I couldn't wait to get back into my current car at that time (BMW 135i coupe).
I can't help but feel that Toyota have completely missed a trick by not turbo / supercharging the new GR86. I would have bought one if they did, as I'm in the market for a new car and the only thing which is exciting me is a BMW M2.
Such a shame.
I would have loved some of the famous Toyota reliability, instead, I have to pay German car running costs and they aren't cheap when they go wrong.
The M2 is based on a cooking platform (1/2 series) which subsidises most of the R&D costs through sale of lesser models. The 86 doesn't share its chassis with any other model and thus the R&D costs are higher. Fairly simple idea to understand. Factory forced induction would also raise the price of the car, as you'd need to have a stronger clutch, drive shafts, gearbox etc. All of which add to the cost.The GR86 is expensive for what you get, which is a low powered car. For the same money, you can pick up a much faster BMW M2.
Yes, I've driven the old GT86 and it really didn't excite me. It felt flat, okay, it was good at B road bashing, but overall, I couldn't wait to get back into my current car at that time (BMW 135i coupe).
I can't help but feel that Toyota have completely missed a trick by not turbo / supercharging the new GR86. I would have bought one if they did, as I'm in the market for a new car and the only thing which is exciting me is a BMW M2.
Such a shame.
I would have loved some of the famous Toyota reliability, instead, I have to pay German car running costs and they aren't cheap when they go wrong.
For those talking about power, these are dynoing at around 240+ hp from owners in the US. With a full exhaust and decent tune that should bump it up close to 270. Pretty good going for a 2l N/A.
Missed the chance to order one muself as I was away yesterday but hope for a cancellation slot.
Edited by apx7 on Thursday 21st April 14:31
Wab1974uk said:
You need permission off your wife to buy yourself a car? Unless she's buying it for you, I really don't see why anyone would need permission.
Maybe damage limitation, a bit of respect given you're effectively a team financially and have to co-exist for the duration of the marriageSometimes I tell her to go b
ks and buy what I want anyway and she knows that, but ill often run things by her. Especially a £30k purchase PCP or Cash its significantI assume that the UK allocation for the GR86 is based on the annual sales figures of the GT86 in this market. Given the write-ups of the new car are that they've fixed the one thing wrong with the old one, I suppose it's not totally surprising that demand now outstrips supply. Hopefully Toyota will see sense and arrange a bumper allocation for next year.
I've seen a few around here in Japan, it surprised me how different and how much better they look in the metal than the old car, given the fundamental shape is the same.
Wab1974uk said:
Conscript said:
clarki said:
I was too slow, grrrrrr!!
Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I intend to keep it long term. I bought it to own it and enjoy it.Do you think people will use these or are they bought to flip??
And the GR Yaris that people clearly bought to flip, do people really pay the prices advertised?? I see a lot of the same cars still for sale. Is it a case of the owners trying their luck but using the car anyway. If it sells, it sells, if it doesn't, it doesn't kinda approach.
Anyway, right up my street the GR86, shame to have missed out. Hopefully they'll bring over some more.
It’s just a very well priced, great drivers car that you can either keep for a long time, as it is probably the last of this type of car, or if you decide to change in 2-3 years or so and you will not lose much money. Great.
callahan said:
Same experience for me too, it would have been nice if Toyota could at least have reserved you a place in the queue if you had placed a deposit at a GR Centre, rather than being gazumped by those who used the (incorrectly) launched purchase site that was spotted by someone on here a week early.
I managed to get my order in online (black manual) but now have no idea when I might get it.
It is exciting to see it sell out so quickly and that there are so many like-minded people (particularly on here and GR-Zoo) that got in so quickly, but my first experience of buying a new car privately could certainly have been handled differently.
So you were effectively 'out gazumped'?I managed to get my order in online (black manual) but now have no idea when I might get it.
It is exciting to see it sell out so quickly and that there are so many like-minded people (particularly on here and GR-Zoo) that got in so quickly, but my first experience of buying a new car privately could certainly have been handled differently.
Several dealers were on GR / Toyota customer forums promising availability, early cars, pricing incorrect spec information - just place a deposit with me etc, was the same few who hoovered up all of the Yaris GR supplies in to the UK.
Many more were not, my local dealer wouldn't take a deposit as they said they couldn't - so I ordered online when it temporarily went live the other weekend.
I think all PH'rs and like minded individuals should start showing a lot of love for Prius's, Yaris, Corolla and RAV4 Hybrids
Without the profits from the millions of these sold, Toyota would not be able to spend the money to create the lovely GR models we are now able to enjoy
I have to say it is a hell of a branding exercise Toyota is doing at the moment, creating interesting cars and then selling them at unexpectedly low prices relative to the market they exist in to create an excess of demand vs supply. An usual strategy which most companies are not willing to do, but Toyota certainly seems to be making it work
Without the profits from the millions of these sold, Toyota would not be able to spend the money to create the lovely GR models we are now able to enjoy
I have to say it is a hell of a branding exercise Toyota is doing at the moment, creating interesting cars and then selling them at unexpectedly low prices relative to the market they exist in to create an excess of demand vs supply. An usual strategy which most companies are not willing to do, but Toyota certainly seems to be making it work
martin12345 said:
I think all PH'rs and like minded individuals should start showing a lot of love for Prius's, Yaris, Corolla and RAV4 Hybrids
Without the profits from the millions of these sold, Toyota would not be able to spend the money to create the lovely GR models we are now able to enjoy
I have to say it is a hell of a branding exercise Toyota is doing at the moment, creating interesting cars and then selling them at unexpectedly low prices relative to the market they exist in to create an excess of demand vs supply. An usual strategy which most companies are not willing to do, but Toyota certainly seems to be making it work
I think there are A LOT of proper 'car people' at or close to the very top of Toyota, who are flexing their muscles a bit now that we are nearing the end of the petrol age.Without the profits from the millions of these sold, Toyota would not be able to spend the money to create the lovely GR models we are now able to enjoy
I have to say it is a hell of a branding exercise Toyota is doing at the moment, creating interesting cars and then selling them at unexpectedly low prices relative to the market they exist in to create an excess of demand vs supply. An usual strategy which most companies are not willing to do, but Toyota certainly seems to be making it work
Other brands starting to spend all their marketing and promotion push budget on electric - BMW for one.
Thank god for Toyota. Who would have said that 5 years ago?
Jon_S_Rally said:
BFleming said:
I know this will be considered cynical, but Toyota could put a GR badge on anything at the moment and the fanboys/speculators would foam at the mouth instantly. When the penny drops that this is a GR in name only, there will be plenty of allocations available. If that penny ever drops of course - there are a lot of non-car people suddenly into cars as investments. This isn't the one to invest in.
What makes a car an actual GR, rather than a GR in name only?Given the brand has only been around a short time and there have only been three models so far (two 4WD hot hatches and a RWD sports car), it's not like the brand is particularly well defined.
I don't get the hype, but I'll freely admit it holds limited appeal to me.
bennno said:
callahan said:
Same experience for me too, it would have been nice if Toyota could at least have reserved you a place in the queue if you had placed a deposit at a GR Centre, rather than being gazumped by those who used the (incorrectly) launched purchase site that was spotted by someone on here a week early.
I managed to get my order in online (black manual) but now have no idea when I might get it.
It is exciting to see it sell out so quickly and that there are so many like-minded people (particularly on here and GR-Zoo) that got in so quickly, but my first experience of buying a new car privately could certainly have been handled differently.
So you were effectively 'out gazumped'?I managed to get my order in online (black manual) but now have no idea when I might get it.
It is exciting to see it sell out so quickly and that there are so many like-minded people (particularly on here and GR-Zoo) that got in so quickly, but my first experience of buying a new car privately could certainly have been handled differently.
Several dealers were on GR / Toyota customer forums promising availability, early cars, pricing incorrect spec information - just place a deposit with me etc, was the same few who hoovered up all of the Yaris GR supplies in to the UK.
Many more were not, my local dealer wouldn't take a deposit as they said they couldn't - so I ordered online when it temporarily went live the other weekend.
I don't blame anyone that ordered through the early-launch website, I'd have done the same, but it's odd that Toyota have honoured those orders, but not those placed through their officially appointed dealers who thought it was okay to do having zero info from Toyota at that point.
Trevor555 said:
Fair question.
The limited slip diff, and the lightness I guess, meant that the rear end would slide out at very low throttle input.
It meant you could do very controlled fishtailing at low speed on a damp surface.
I've never driven another road car that was like it. Anyone?
But my point was really that another poster said the GR86 would need 250bhp to be fun.
Nonsense.
i think it just needs 250 hp / ft lb to be really special, i like other are confused by the hype...thats all.The limited slip diff, and the lightness I guess, meant that the rear end would slide out at very low throttle input.
It meant you could do very controlled fishtailing at low speed on a damp surface.
I've never driven another road car that was like it. Anyone?
But my point was really that another poster said the GR86 would need 250bhp to be fun.
Nonsense.
Seano1878 said:
I don’t really get the underpowered and slow comments? My last car was an i30N and it felt pretty fast stock with a 0-62 of 6.1. Currently have a MK8 ST3 that again is great fun to drive and does 0-62 in 6.5.. the GR86 splits the difference at 6.3 seconds to 62 so it’s no slouch but it also has an amazing chassis, rwd, all the tech you could possibly need, looks good etc. US testers have timed the 0-60 times in the high 5’s which to me is perfect for a road car.
It's just because cars that your gran could get to 60 in 4.something seconds have been commoditised with the rise of the affordable AWD turbo, dual clutch transmission hot hatch, so some people think that anything slower than that is 'slow'.In my view, once you get much beyond 180-190 bhp per tonne, you are more limited by road and traffic conditions, and how far you are prepared to bend the law than you are by power. My last car swap took me from 225 bhp per tonne to 190, and I can't think of a single piece of road, apart from those involving straight line drags from traffic lights, where my current car is noticeably slower.
LBW2020 said:
Trevor555 said:
Fair question.
The limited slip diff, and the lightness I guess, meant that the rear end would slide out at very low throttle input.
It meant you could do very controlled fishtailing at low speed on a damp surface.
I've never driven another road car that was like it. Anyone?
But my point was really that another poster said the GR86 would need 250bhp to be fun.
Nonsense.
i think it just needs 250 hp / ft lb to be really special, i like other are confused by the hype...thats all.The limited slip diff, and the lightness I guess, meant that the rear end would slide out at very low throttle input.
It meant you could do very controlled fishtailing at low speed on a damp surface.
I've never driven another road car that was like it. Anyone?
But my point was really that another poster said the GR86 would need 250bhp to be fun.
Nonsense.
SidewaysSi said:
The best affordable sports car but the rear seats are fecking useless if the same as the old one. Think my 911 is more practical in that regard.
Which puts it in a rather tricky position for me unfortunately.
I'm in the same situation - both children pretty tall and a dog - but my thinking is that there's very rarely more than two of us in the car and more often than not it's just me. Back seats for emergencies only and I can fold it flat for the dog if needed. What really surprised me was that my wife fell for it!Which puts it in a rather tricky position for me unfortunately.
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