RE: RPM Technik 718 Cayman GT4 MR | PH Review
Discussion
Jon_S_Rally said:
£6k is a huge amount of money for what is basically two cogs. It's only £2K less than a Dacia Sandero, which comes with whole box full of cogs, along with an engine, body shell, wiring loom, interior, wheels, suspension etc etc. Massive Porsche tax being applied there, without a doubt.
You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
When I contacted RPM last year, the CW&P was actually just over £2600 +VAT, so not a million miles away from the £2k figure that has been mentioned here.You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
The rest of the £5500 was made up with labour, gaskets, seals, shims, oil etc. I'm sure a qualified specialist will have similar rates for this type of work. The biggest difference to me is that you have more come back and peace of mind if everything is done under one roof.
Oz83 said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
£6k is a huge amount of money for what is basically two cogs. It's only £2K less than a Dacia Sandero, which comes with whole box full of cogs, along with an engine, body shell, wiring loom, interior, wheels, suspension etc etc. Massive Porsche tax being applied there, without a doubt.
You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
When I contacted RPM last year, the CW&P was actually just over £2600 +VAT, so not a million miles away from the £2k figure that has been mentioned here.You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
The rest of the £5500 was made up with labour, gaskets, seals, shims, oil etc. I'm sure a qualified specialist will have similar rates for this type of work. The biggest difference to me is that you have more come back and peace of mind if everything is done under one roof.
that 2k would be for a total one off, it should be about £1k. Massive massive rpm tax being added.
Nice to see that they're reviewing the pug version also.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/p...
Jon_S_Rally said:
£6k is a huge amount of money for what is basically two cogs. It's only £2K less than a Dacia Sandero, which comes with whole box full of cogs, along with an engine, body shell, wiring loom, interior, wheels, suspension etc etc. Massive Porsche tax being applied there, without a doubt.
You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
I think the fact you keep your Porsche warranty, probably means it's money well spent.You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
And how dare a company charge more than what it's costs them to develop, manufacturer, and install. I'm offended !!
pSyCoSiS said:
That's one hell of an upgrade package to an already great car. I wonder if it will hold its residuals as well as the standard GT4?
The Manthey Racing parts/package will increase the value, but narrow the potential audience. Warranty / factory approved.The RPM parts are just aftermarket modifications. However good, or effective, they will have no positive residual effect and will also narrow the audience.
Wab1974uk said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
£6k is a huge amount of money for what is basically two cogs. It's only £2K less than a Dacia Sandero, which comes with whole box full of cogs, along with an engine, body shell, wiring loom, interior, wheels, suspension etc etc. Massive Porsche tax being applied there, without a doubt.
You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
I think the fact you keep your Porsche warranty, probably means it's money well spent.You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
And how dare a company charge more than what it's costs them to develop, manufacturer, and install. I'm offended !!
Wab1974uk said:
I think the fact you keep your Porsche warranty, probably means it's money well spent.
And how dare a company charge more than what it's costs them to develop, manufacturer, and install. I'm offended !!
I have nothing against a company making profit. But there is a difference between making profit and shafting people. If Porsche owners think it's good value, good luck to them, but that doesn't mean I have to.And how dare a company charge more than what it's costs them to develop, manufacturer, and install. I'm offended !!
Red 5 said:
The Manthey Racing parts/package will increase the value, but narrow the potential audience. Warranty / factory approved.
The RPM parts are just aftermarket modifications. However good, or effective, they will have no positive residual effect and will also narrow the audience.
There was a 981 for sale recently advertised with the diff package. Was priced slightly higher than the usual but was hanging around a while, no idea if it sold with a premium price in end though. The RPM parts are just aftermarket modifications. However good, or effective, they will have no positive residual effect and will also narrow the audience.
Could work either way for 2nd hand market in terms of appeal definitely.
Wab1974uk said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
£6k is a huge amount of money for what is basically two cogs. It's only £2K less than a Dacia Sandero, which comes with whole box full of cogs, along with an engine, body shell, wiring loom, interior, wheels, suspension etc etc. Massive Porsche tax being applied there, without a doubt.
You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
I think the fact you keep your Porsche warranty, probably means it's money well spent.You could try someone like Gripper or MFactory. If there is a market, they might be interested in producing one.
And how dare a company charge more than what it's costs them to develop, manufacturer, and install. I'm offended !!
Only the core Manthey kit is potentially warranty approved, although Ive not seen that officially confirmed unlike for the GT2RS and GT3RS kits.
Olivera said:
Twinfan said:
If you want to rev it out without going silly speeds you've bought the wrong car. Why anyone buys a modern 420bhp car expecting to be able to thrash the nuts off it everywhere is beyond me.
Do what I do - take it on track and enjoy it there several times a year.
Arguably the stock GT4 gearing is bad even on track. On some short UK tracks you'll be lucky to get out of 3rd, and 4th goes to 142mph. So you'll be using at best 3 gears out of a six speed box. Do what I do - take it on track and enjoy it there several times a year.
On track, any cars gearing is compromised on certain circuits. I went with my mate to Croft at the weekend.....he was in his GT2 RS and mentioned that the tiny straight between the penultimate and last corner was between 2nd and 3rd and really awkward. First world problems eh?! Even race cars have the same issue. My Caterham Supersport was basically 3rd and 4th gear everywhere and the current GT4 Aston Martin Vantage has a 2nd gear so short it's only appropriate for corners like Turn 1 at Nurburgring GP. Everywhere else it's using 2-3 gears. It's only ever an issue though if your looking for it.
Much like the terrible rear suspension kinematics that no reviewer ever mentions, but many of us who regularly track a GT4 are more than aware of. I'm almost certain 90% of owners who drive them on track don't have the experience to know why they get oversteer in high speed corners other than to say think they pushed too hard. The contrast between what 3 or 3RS feels like to a 4 in terms of high speed confidence is stark. I (and many others) would far rather Porsche spent the money fitting proper suspension that doesn't have horrible camber gain or roll centre migration to the rear end than waste a few million developing a new bespoke gear set.
Have a look at my onboard from Sunday and tell me what's more of an issue. Mid corner instability or gearing....
RacerMike said:
Olivera said:
Twinfan said:
If you want to rev it out without going silly speeds you've bought the wrong car. Why anyone buys a modern 420bhp car expecting to be able to thrash the nuts off it everywhere is beyond me.
Do what I do - take it on track and enjoy it there several times a year.
Arguably the stock GT4 gearing is bad even on track. On some short UK tracks you'll be lucky to get out of 3rd, and 4th goes to 142mph. So you'll be using at best 3 gears out of a six speed box. Do what I do - take it on track and enjoy it there several times a year.
On track, any cars gearing is compromised on certain circuits. I went with my mate to Croft at the weekend.....he was in his GT2 RS and mentioned that the tiny straight between the penultimate and last corner was between 2nd and 3rd and really awkward. First world problems eh?! Even race cars have the same issue. My Caterham Supersport was basically 3rd and 4th gear everywhere and the current GT4 Aston Martin Vantage has a 2nd gear so short it's only appropriate for corners like Turn 1 at Nurburgring GP. Everywhere else it's using 2-3 gears. It's only ever an issue though if your looking for it.
Much like the terrible rear suspension kinematics that no reviewer ever mentions, but many of us who regularly track a GT4 are more than aware of. I'm almost certain 90% of owners who drive them on track don't have the experience to know why they get oversteer in high speed corners other than to say think they pushed too hard. The contrast between what 3 or 3RS feels like to a 4 in terms of high speed confidence is stark. I (and many others) would far rather Porsche spent the money fitting proper suspension that doesn't have horrible camber gain or roll centre migration to the rear end than waste a few million developing a new bespoke gear set.
Have a look at my onboard from Sunday and tell me what's more of an issue. Mid corner instability or gearing....
HokumPokum said:
that looks pretty bad .
Can you describe what type of mid corner oversteer ie under what type of brake/throttle and which phase of the corner it usually appears? Tx
It’s mid corner as the car loads up and the rear starts to roll. You can ‘fix’ it by stopping roll. That means stiffest setting on the rear arb and more camber as a road car, or new dampers with the compression damping turned right up and highly aggressive static camber. The race cars basically do this, but for the road it doesn’t really work, but all you’re really doing is moving the behaviour further and further up the grip making it more and more snappy when it eventually gets there. It’s not uncommon to see people crash the race cars getting a huge stab of oversteer mid corner, and then flying off in the opposite direction as it grips up again.Can you describe what type of mid corner oversteer ie under what type of brake/throttle and which phase of the corner it usually appears? Tx
Autoquest in the US do an IRS kit and explain the kinematic issues very well.
https://www.autoquestcars.com/custom-09
RacerMike said:
The whole gearing 'issue' is one entirely created off the back of that one Chris Harris review at Portimao in the 981. All 981 Caymans had the same ratios from launch and no one ever even mentioned it. Even the GT3 gearing is within 5mph in 2nd and you don't hear people complaining about breaking the speed limit in 2nd in them do you?
Do the base models have the same rev limit? Escy said:
RacerMike said:
The whole gearing 'issue' is one entirely created off the back of that one Chris Harris review at Portimao in the 981. All 981 Caymans had the same ratios from launch and no one ever even mentioned it. Even the GT3 gearing is within 5mph in 2nd and you don't hear people complaining about breaking the speed limit in 2nd in them do you?
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