RE: All-new Range Rover Sport revealed
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k can’t manufacturers take a decent photo of the real thing anymore 
I've always thought the RR sports looked pretty poor, but this is definitely an improvement.
It still isn't a patch on the FFRR, and it shouldn't be, because it's in another class, I suppose.
The new RR sport is way nicer than the Bentayga, Cullinan, and all of the other luxury softroaders.
It still isn't a patch on the FFRR, and it shouldn't be, because it's in another class, I suppose.
The new RR sport is way nicer than the Bentayga, Cullinan, and all of the other luxury softroaders.
nickfrog said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Stop having kids if you really care about sustainability. On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Edited by mrclav on Tuesday 10th May 21:51
ecs0set said:
Also, the top petrol (in the reveal vid) did not sound anywhere near as evil as the old SVR 
Just to pick up on this point, the L461 RRS SVR is yet to be announced. So the exhaust note on the launch "top petrol" model will not be tuned to be overtly raucous. The noise of my own L494 V8 supercharged is definitely related to the L494 SVR, there's even some occasional overrun gurgling, but it is (thankfully) nowhere near as head turning as the sound the SVR makes.
witten said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Personally I lived in the East side of the Cotswolds and don't see them all that often.On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
And on the rest - yes they can but no one would buy them. The purpose of any business is to make money by developing a product that sells.
Range Rover is to what Burberry was in the mid 00s. They project the opposite of what the owners try and convey.
mrclav said:
nickfrog said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Stop having kids if you really care about sustainability. On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Edited by mrclav on Tuesday 10th May 21:51
Procreation in an increasingly age lopsided generational divide, bad.
Poncing around in a heavily financed chintz wagon, good.
Cold said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Zzzzz. On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Cups Renault said:
I live in this area too. They are everywhere. Normally bought at 3-4 years old (just in time for the depreciation and running costs to really kick in) and on the never never, owned by folk with a modest semi detached new build and paying down against p!ss take APR.
How do you know this? Why is their depreciation really kicking in at year four where for most cars depreciation is most painful across the first three years?So many questions.
Cups Renault said:
I live in this area too. They are everywhere. Normally bought at 3-4 years old (just in time for the depreciation and running costs to really kick in) and on the never never, owned by folk with a modest semi detached new build and paying down against p!ss take APR.
Range Rover is to what Burberry was in the mid 00s. They project the opposite of what the owners try and convey.
You're probably trying to read too much into it by making sweeping statements. Or perhaps it's your area. Range Rover is to what Burberry was in the mid 00s. They project the opposite of what the owners try and convey.
You have no idea about other people's financial situation, nor should you really.
Live and let live, do your own thing. Stop projecting.
Looks alright if you like that sort of thing, many do so must be something in it, not something I particularly desire but I bet I would secretly quite enjoy having one.
Does amaze me how many there are about, ok, we live in Cheshire but they are everywhere. Must be a lot of folk quite happy to spend 90 grand plus on a car, or whatever they cost to lease, which I guess is a grand a month give or take.
Does amaze me how many there are about, ok, we live in Cheshire but they are everywhere. Must be a lot of folk quite happy to spend 90 grand plus on a car, or whatever they cost to lease, which I guess is a grand a month give or take.
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