RE: 2022 Genesis GV60 | PH Review
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Not quite sure why every EV review seems to say it has surprising amounts of power. Honestly most electric cars are capable of huge power outputs and I suspect, in short order, anything above a cheap town runabout will have 0-62 times that are unmatchable by most ICE sports cars. Power is no longer a differentiator.
Cars are going to be differentiated on in car entertainment, comfort and widgets soon. That's just the way it is. Driving will be very respectable for it's performance but not 'fun' as such as it's just never going to be visceral (unless it's an electric caterham maybe)
Cars are going to be differentiated on in car entertainment, comfort and widgets soon. That's just the way it is. Driving will be very respectable for it's performance but not 'fun' as such as it's just never going to be visceral (unless it's an electric caterham maybe)
The "ev's are green" argument... then gives ev 490bhp, for a runaround suv. Massive wheels, massive brakes, huge weight, a tonne of resources to go into it (lots of motors, big cables, big driveshafts, big electronics to handle the power, bigger control arms, balljoints, subframes etc....), EVEN if you never use the power, you still source, manufacture, ship it and then you lug it around for 100k, 200k, 300k (maybe electric car will live longer?). Its not green(that power)... but its probably fun.
Harrypop said:
CrippsCorner said:
Let me rephrase that to the whole brand rather than this specific car. I just don't see why anyone would choose this over its well established rivals. If a company doesn't bring anything new, then why bring it at all?
Tesla was new, and it bought with it new ideas/new concepts.
I am really failing to see any logic in what you are saying now. If you have no desire for this particular car that's fine but to question it's existence is a bit weird really.Tesla was new, and it bought with it new ideas/new concepts.
Your premise appears to be that unless a company brings something entirely new to the table they just shouldn't bother at all? If that concept had any relevance in the real world supermarkets would only have two very small isles with no comparative items in them. But that's not the case and I can walk in and buy a multitude of what is the roughtly the same thing but at differing price points and with varying associated quality - be that perceived or creditable.
Are you just of the opinion that Tesla should be the only mass ev manufacturer as anybody that follows will not have brought anything new??
Two growth markets are SUV's and EV's so you probably need to ask yourself why a manufacturer wouldn't attempt to offer an EV SUV rather than ponder why they would.
Do I think this has a USP? Not really, which will hurt it far more than if it were made by an established brand, as there is no brand loyalty/cache to fall back on.
I wish them well though.
I think that's really quite good. The worst you can say about the looks are that it's pretty bland from some (OK quite a few) angles (but really quite nice from others IMO), it's as fast as some of the very quickest SUVs out there but will have low running costs, it's not stupidly big like a lot of ESUVs are, it'll be very well put together and if it does go wrong you won't get treated like dirt by the manufacturer (which seems to be part of the premium brand 'experience' in a lot of cases). If you can get it through a business or a salary sacrifice scheme I think it could make a lot of sense.
hentington said:
I think it is worth giving Genesis a chance, I'm surprised by how dismissive everyone is of the brand. There is a lot to be said for good customer service and (reportedly good) build quality and while that isn't a novel idea - it seems to be lacking for so many 'premium' brands.
I wouldn't disagree with this sentiment but my own experience as a potential customer wasn't good. I was genuinely interested in a shooting brake - no way to see one, no information on purchase price. Only provided with a monthly cost. Given the car was not a great monthly/ company buy (BIK issues) ignoring cash buyers was an odd strategy. Gave up in the end!
whp1983 said:
A £70k suv, ugly, from a brand that will soon be disappearing from these shores…. Not quite the future I was hoping for!
Many things in life are objectively better but not what you want:
I’d rather a Rolex over an iwatch… a fountain pen over a biro… etc
I do realise may daily driver may soon be electric…. But it absolutely won’t be this!!
Most electric cars are not going to appeal to the majority of people that post on piston heads. And sure, the genesis is an expensive car, but most electric cars are expensive. I think the entry level car should have been priced at around 45K to compete with its rivals. In terms of looks and appearance, I would pick a genesis over a tesla model 3 suv thing. But the tesla would be a much more practical and cheaper car to own. Many things in life are objectively better but not what you want:
I’d rather a Rolex over an iwatch… a fountain pen over a biro… etc
I do realise may daily driver may soon be electric…. But it absolutely won’t be this!!
Spiros115 said:
Would love to see the design brief:
“So for exterior imagine a Suzuki swift being eaten by a storm trooper, interior wise we’re going for somewhere between knock off Bentley and Uber chintzy fiat 500”
Oh and it’s £76k, what the actual….
“So for exterior imagine a Suzuki swift being eaten by a storm trooper, interior wise we’re going for somewhere between knock off Bentley and Uber chintzy fiat 500”
Oh and it’s £76k, what the actual….
I’ve only just noticed the door mirror displays. Those who moan about iPads on dashboards will have a field day with this!
Roger Irrelevant said:
I think that's really quite good. The worst you can say about the looks are that it's pretty bland from some (OK quite a few) angles (but really quite nice from others IMO), it's as fast as some of the very quickest SUVs out there but will have low running costs, it's not stupidly big like a lot of ESUVs are, it'll be very well put together and if it does go wrong you won't get treated like dirt by the manufacturer (which seems to be part of the premium brand 'experience' in a lot of cases). If you can get it through a business or a salary sacrifice scheme I think it could make a lot of sense.
People that live on london and can afford to own a newish, macan or a cayanne, will have no issue in financing a genesis on a very good deal.
clacs2 said:
What Cripps is saying, in marketing terms, is there is no unique selling proposition. That does really matter for a new brand, regardless if it sells cars, toasters or biscuits.
Do I think this has a USP? Not really, which will hurt it far more than if it were made by an established brand, as there is no brand loyalty/cache to fall back on.
I wish them well though.
Genesis is not a new brand, this is not their debut product. That beside what would you suggest would serve as a better tool to attempt establishing a foothold in this region considering the current market? I'm not sure that it needs a usp, it just needs to offer an alternative choice in the two segments that are likely seeing the highest growth - SUV's and EV's. Just because Genesis are unlikely to rival the go to brands for sales doesn't mean that it's a bad idea to tap into that market does it.Do I think this has a USP? Not really, which will hurt it far more than if it were made by an established brand, as there is no brand loyalty/cache to fall back on.
I wish them well though.
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