RE: Porsche 718 Spyder RS breaks cover
Discussion
I suspect that this will be seen as one of the all-time greats. No other manufacturer does anything like this with the possible exception of Lotus. McLaren and Ferrari don’t really make mega-racy sportscars, and the other companies which you could imagine doing it namely Mercedes, BMW, and Honda are even further off.
esotericar said:
Be interesting to see if demand holds up.
People complain about limited supply but they make massively (truly, massively) more GT cars now than ever before. Like an order of magnitude more than the 996 and 997 era. Economic outlook looks a bit sketchy. If it all does go to hell in a handbasket, I suspect it'll suddenly become a lot easier to buy one of these cars. Don't think it will take that much in terms of a drop in demand to expose the actually very plentiful supply.
Buyers of this sort of car fly above the turbulence most of us travel in (on the basis that to get on the list you have to have been a serial buyer of lots of other new Porsches).People complain about limited supply but they make massively (truly, massively) more GT cars now than ever before. Like an order of magnitude more than the 996 and 997 era. Economic outlook looks a bit sketchy. If it all does go to hell in a handbasket, I suspect it'll suddenly become a lot easier to buy one of these cars. Don't think it will take that much in terms of a drop in demand to expose the actually very plentiful supply.
Wonderful machine though, anyhow.
Great to see.
I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
ks, but hood up it looks like a dogs dinner..cerb4.5lee said:
I bet the engine in this sounds lovely with the roof down. 
I'd say it doesn't by the way, not unless you replace the exhaust and remove all the filters etc. The GT4 RS sounds of pretty much nothing on the outside. It's all intake piping in the cabin to compensate for the lack of exhaust sound I'm assuming. Rob.043 said:
Great to see.
I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I think they can sell hybrids until 2035. Lamborghini and Ferrari have teamed up to try and get a low-volume exemption after then. I superb last hurrah for these engines possibly, but there must be a rule work around that will let some epic egines remain after 2030. These N/A RS cars are still with us when most other performance engines are turbo charged, surely at the cost of some CO2 tax. I can imagine the more mainstream models will suffer the electrification more thoroughly and there will still be petrol engine cars for sale which only need some nominal range from a gearbox mounted beefed up starter motor to qualify as a hybrid.... Managing then to do something more like the P1 did in bringing exciting performance from mild electrification. I keep meaning to read up on the relevant EU rules, but haven't
I like older cars too, and will be happy to drive stuff built up to 2035. What worries me more is E10 fuel being the thin end of a wedge. Already, my integrale and 60s BMW 2000CS can’t really run on E10 safely. E5 has now been redesignated Super even if it isn’t that high octane. Prices of it have gone up. So far, so bad. However say they introduce E15 or something as a standard fuel, and E5 becomes hard to find? This is the real problem for enthusiasts, I think. I guess I/ we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
stuckmojo said:
Wow.
Can I order one?
Didn't think so.
Cynical in me wonders if there are more engines than demand or ability to make GT3s
You are being analytical and not cynical. All cars are difficult to build yet, of course, manufacturers have been giving critical components to higher margin models. So why are 911 sales in the US down nearly 25% this year? Can I order one?
Didn't think so.
Cynical in me wonders if there are more engines than demand or ability to make GT3s
DMZ said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I bet the engine in this sounds lovely with the roof down.
I'd say it doesn't by the way, not unless you replace the exhaust and remove all the filters etc. The GT4 RS sounds of pretty much nothing on the outside. It's all intake piping in the cabin to compensate for the lack of exhaust sound I'm assuming. 
My F82 M4 is a let down exhaust noise wise to my ears because of the OPFs, although my eldest daughter and one of my mates who've both heard it from outside have said that you can still hear it though. The S55 engine isn't the best noise wise being fair(especially in comparison to what the NA engine in this should sound like).
All is not completely lost for me though...because the modified exhaust on the 370Z makes a right racket!
VR6 Eug said:
The Cayman will still be the better steer.
Not by much.With the 981/982 platform, the open car is pretty stiff. Prior generations, 987.1 and .2 (obviously there was no 986 Cayman), the coupe's extra stiffness made a big difference to how the car felt. But with the 981, the Boxster platform is so stiff, it's no longer much of an issue.
I’d like to see PH, as the platform of the people, refuse to provide any coverage of cars like this. It’s all very well covering exotica and the stuff of dreams. Cars like this are still realistically attainable, or at least there should be.
It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
John Henry said:
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
To be fair, with any car the majority of occasions on which it it taken into possession will not be from new. A car is in production for a brief period. For the rest of its existence, it's a used buy at which point anyone willing to cough up can buy a used example. The availability from new is a bit of a blip. So precisely how the limited that new availability is, that's minor in the broad scheme of the entire life of these cars. Most owners over time will be buying and using as an out-of-production used car.And you are wrong about the second bit. Porsche will love the bun fight over allocations. The whole point of GT cars is to make the brand seem more desirable. The perception that the cars are super special and hard to get hold of will suit Porsche just fine.
Indeed, if you could simply walk into a dealer and order these cars, they'd actually sell less of them. It's all built around perceived scarcity, inflated second hand values etc. Make the cars easy to buy and the whole house of cards collapses. The overs market evaporates as why pay a premium second hand when you can just order one no problem, and demand tanks as you can no longer buy one new and have free motoring - or even make a bit in the process. - due to the premium they attract on the second hand car market.
John Henry said:
I’d like to see PH, as the platform of the people, refuse to provide any coverage of cars like this. It’s all very well covering exotica and the stuff of dreams. Cars like this are still realistically attainable, or at least there should be.
It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
I can see that point of view, and yes, if I could order a brand new GT4, I probably would have.It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
However, I can also see it from the other point of view. If I regularly bought a new Porsche and spent a lot of money with that dealership, I'd be pretty knarked off if I couldn't get a new GT product as a dealer priority. After all, I'd be a good customer, so would expect a few perks.
I think letting anyone buy them opens up more flippers. Yes it happens, but I think that's more down to certain dealerships. I'd expect `good customers` get a new GT3 / GT4 and keep them to drive and enjoy.
Maybe allocate the first year allocation to `good customers` then open up the books to anyone?
John Henry said:
I’d like to see PH, as the platform of the people, refuse to provide any coverage of cars like this. It’s all very well covering exotica and the stuff of dreams. Cars like this are still realistically attainable, or at least there should be.
It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
Yup, article might as well be about a moon rover - it's about as obtainable as one of these. Lovely engine and glad they've addressed the gearing but it's simply a poster car for (some) adults.It’s simply not on that you can’t place an order for one of these cars without evidence of a previous relationship with your Porsche dealer. There is no democracy to it.
I’d prefer a system where they open the order book on a given date and time and people line up to place an order, like with other latest craze purchases. One order per customer. At least that places people on a level playing field.
As it stands, who cares what it’s like? You won’t be allowed to buy one. Porsche should be looking hard at the way their dealers behave around this issue. It’s been like this for too long.
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