RE: Audi RS4 Avant (B7) | The Brave Pill
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Firebobby said:
AC43 said:
I just looked up the 0-100's. The RS4 does it in 10s. The coal burner finally clanks over the line in 19s.
Yeah! But we weren't doing 0-100's if you read the post, I said from about 40mph to the legal limit! And yes he was trying. Very lethargic......
t driver. If you’re driving a N/A car they need to rev. Jesus what do they teach these drivers now.
I have a Saab V6 290BHP 470NM. New 120d are hilariously slow even compared to my old banger. Have also had a little play against as RS4 of this vintage. Yes I got a jump because my max torque is at 2500rpm but once his was on song he was saying bye bye which was fine because I could hear the beautiful V8 from behind.
AC43 said:
phumy said:
Firebobby said:
Hmm! I recall being in a friend's B7, in front was a 120d 1 series. From about 40mph cruising on a clear rd it took what I thought was quite an effort to stay on the beemers tail up to the legal limit. He'd shifted it on within a week of that episode, very disappointing!!
He wasnt trying.I don't know if you've ever driven a turbo diesel car, but getting from 40 mph cruising to 70 is one thing they do very well. Press pedal, off it goes. Change down 1 gear, and it's even better.
If you are driving a naturally aspirated petrol car? - well, cruising at 40 mph, you'll be in 5th or 6th. But if you want to pick up speed quickly, in your car that has a 100 hp/L NA engine, you'll need to be in more like 2nd! - a lot of revs away. And the engine can only spin up so fast.
Of course, very different if you're both going from a standing start.
to3m said:
AC43 said:
phumy said:
Firebobby said:
Hmm! I recall being in a friend's B7, in front was a 120d 1 series. From about 40mph cruising on a clear rd it took what I thought was quite an effort to stay on the beemers tail up to the legal limit. He'd shifted it on within a week of that episode, very disappointing!!
He wasnt trying.I don't know if you've ever driven a turbo diesel car, but getting from 40 mph cruising to 70 is one thing they do very well. Press pedal, off it goes. Change down 1 gear, and it's even better.
If you are driving a naturally aspirated petrol car? - well, cruising at 40 mph, you'll be in 5th or 6th. But if you want to pick up speed quickly, in your car that has a 100 hp/L NA engine, you'll need to be in more like 2nd! - a lot of revs away. And the engine can only spin up so fast.
Of course, very different if you're both going from a standing start.
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to3m said:
AC43 said:
phumy said:
Firebobby said:
Hmm! I recall being in a friend's B7, in front was a 120d 1 series. From about 40mph cruising on a clear rd it took what I thought was quite an effort to stay on the beemers tail up to the legal limit. He'd shifted it on within a week of that episode, very disappointing!!
He wasnt trying.I don't know if you've ever driven a turbo diesel car, but getting from 40 mph cruising to 70 is one thing they do very well. Press pedal, off it goes. Change down 1 gear, and it's even better.
If you are driving a naturally aspirated petrol car? - well, cruising at 40 mph, you'll be in 5th or 6th. But if you want to pick up speed quickly, in your car that has a 100 hp/L NA engine, you'll need to be in more like 2nd! - a lot of revs away. And the engine can only spin up so fast.
Of course, very different if you're both going from a standing start.
a 120d will produce similar if not probably more bhp than an rs4 upto 3k rpm.
After that the rs4 will leave it dead. over 5-6k rpm not much could keep up with it as it producing close to 400bhp.
to3m said:
AC43 said:
phumy said:
Firebobby said:
Hmm! I recall being in a friend's B7, in front was a 120d 1 series. From about 40mph cruising on a clear rd it took what I thought was quite an effort to stay on the beemers tail up to the legal limit. He'd shifted it on within a week of that episode, very disappointing!!
He wasnt trying.I don't know if you've ever driven a turbo diesel car, but getting from 40 mph cruising to 70 is one thing they do very well. Press pedal, off it goes. Change down 1 gear, and it's even better.
If you are driving a naturally aspirated petrol car? - well, cruising at 40 mph, you'll be in 5th or 6th. But if you want to pick up speed quickly, in your car that has a 100 hp/L NA engine, you'll need to be in more like 2nd! - a lot of revs away. And the engine can only spin up so fast.
Of course, very different if you're both going from a standing start.
A properly-driven RS4 would murder a 120D on any increment from 0-155mph. It's nearly twice as fast to 100. Game over.
Dombilano said:
My carbon cleaned, oil cooler uprated, KW V3 suspension'd genuine dyno 400bhp RS4 was the same against many turbo diesels. Unless you were above 5500rpm it just didn't pull. I've said it before, turbos are just better. My B9 S4 now feels night and day quicker, no matter what the official 0 - 100mph or in gear timings say.
Not fare to compare N/A against turbocharged and then suggest the N/A is somehow the worse vehicle because it needs revs - that's the point! Got to compare apples with apples. If you do want everything everywhere, forced induction is obviously the one for you. The current twin turbo RS4 doesn't struggle against much out there, diesel or otherwise in my experience.
TBF I think it might be a general RS4 problem. When I first got my B5 I was just cruising along in a 20 zone in 6th one day, when all of a sudden the Fiat 500 Twinair in front of me just starting disappearing off into the distance. I was so mad, I nearly sold the car there and then, and this was only after a week!
Then I had a dawning realisation - maybe changing down a gear or two might get the car to move a bit faster! Seven years later and this learning had served me very well, and I’m so glad I didn’t sell up in that first week
RS4 thread and we’re discussing 120ds being too rapid - PH really does descend into some nonsense at times
Then I had a dawning realisation - maybe changing down a gear or two might get the car to move a bit faster! Seven years later and this learning had served me very well, and I’m so glad I didn’t sell up in that first week
RS4 thread and we’re discussing 120ds being too rapid - PH really does descend into some nonsense at times
I remember thinking that if you can't beat them...then you may as well join them when I had the E92 M3, and that is why I ended up in a F13 640d instead!
The diesels would always drop me at first in the M3, and by the time that I'd caught up and gone past them you were doing silly speeds. It was good fun though, and I particularly remember a proper battle with a X3 35d once.
The diesels would always drop me at first in the M3, and by the time that I'd caught up and gone past them you were doing silly speeds. It was good fun though, and I particularly remember a proper battle with a X3 35d once.
Firebobby said:
AC43 said:
I just looked up the 0-100's. The RS4 does it in 10s. The coal burner finally clanks over the line in 19s.
Yeah! But we weren't doing 0-100's if you read the post, I said from about 40mph to the legal limit! And yes he was trying. Very lethargic......I've had this B7 for going on 5 years now. Had the DRC fail in the first few months and went with KW coilovers - no noticeable change in ride comfort and great around the bends. Not the cheapest to run but even with the new suspension, new discs and pads all round, a carbon clean, annual services (recommend 4Rings Dartford) my geeky costs spreadsheet tells me that it works out at about 140pm over that period (not including petrol, insurance etc) given how prices have gone. Mines on 133k and still feels tight - gets used for everything from trips down to France (loaded with wine on the return!) to trips to the tip. Love it!
Edited by Spidersoon on Monday 23 May 09:02
Love these, I went for a B8 as the other half can only drive autos unfortunately but still wanted that glorious V8.
Driven properly it should be shredding a hatchback turbo diesel but to be honest most of the time I'm not really bothered by what anyone else may be doing - revving out the V8 and the dog bark from the exhaust on the downshift is entertainment enough for me!
No DRC issues but will likely get coilovers switched in at the next service.
Driven properly it should be shredding a hatchback turbo diesel but to be honest most of the time I'm not really bothered by what anyone else may be doing - revving out the V8 and the dog bark from the exhaust on the downshift is entertainment enough for me!
No DRC issues but will likely get coilovers switched in at the next service.
"turbos are better" - for lazy people who just value in gear acceleration.
A proper rev matched downshift 2 or 3 gears and you're right in the power band and can hear the glorious noise of internal combustion at its best (without an inhaler).
I did this trick a lot in my FN2, surprised a lot of people who wrote it off as slow because it didn't have turbo-torque. I employ the same tactic when driving my 325ti.
My diesel auto family barge has left me in some squeaky bum situations when the combination of turbo not being on boost and gearbox not being sure what gear to be in has meant it lethargically half-arsed pulling out of a junction before suddenly everything syncs up and there's a big whoosh for 1.5 seconds before it reaches the point it wants to change up at 3000rpm and you have to worry about suddenly being much closer to the car in front than you anticipated. Beyond frustrating, as it doesn't do it every time! Great on the motorway though!
A proper rev matched downshift 2 or 3 gears and you're right in the power band and can hear the glorious noise of internal combustion at its best (without an inhaler).
I did this trick a lot in my FN2, surprised a lot of people who wrote it off as slow because it didn't have turbo-torque. I employ the same tactic when driving my 325ti.
My diesel auto family barge has left me in some squeaky bum situations when the combination of turbo not being on boost and gearbox not being sure what gear to be in has meant it lethargically half-arsed pulling out of a junction before suddenly everything syncs up and there's a big whoosh for 1.5 seconds before it reaches the point it wants to change up at 3000rpm and you have to worry about suddenly being much closer to the car in front than you anticipated. Beyond frustrating, as it doesn't do it every time! Great on the motorway though!
TypeRTim said:
"turbos are better" - for lazy people who just value in gear acceleration.
My rule of thumb is...turbos for the daily driver, and NA for the weekend/occasional car.The last thing you want in a daily driver is to have to rev the arse off it for it to get a move on for me.
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