RE: 2022 Cupra Born VZ3 | PH Review
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SidewaysSi said:
Ahonen said:
Dale487 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Needs a few special editions:
Born Free
Born Alive
Born Again
What a joyless POS. Saying it is better than an ID3 is like saying Chlamydia is better than Gonorrhea.
Born In the USA (VAG have previously made a Rolling Stone & Genesis edition Golf) Born Free
Born Alive
Born Again
What a joyless POS. Saying it is better than an ID3 is like saying Chlamydia is better than Gonorrhea.
Born on the 4th July
Born Identity, Supremacy, Ultimatum & Legacy - for a film tie in
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But the car is named after El Born, which is a district in Barcelona
NGK210 said:
Very witty, if it was called the Nacido in Spanish-speaking markets and, in turn, the UK version was a direct translation.
But the car is named after El Born, which is a district in Barcelona
Ah, so it's effectively the Seat Shoreditch. Seat Nacido would arguably be a better sounding name - or rather it wouldn't be any worse than their regular dismal 'Hola! Look how Spanish we are!' naming strategy.But the car is named after El Born, which is a district in Barcelona
er, folks this is really just a Golf Gti replacement / competitor
So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
SidewaysSi said:
Macboy said:
biggbn said:
I would rather like an electric vehicle, but because their characteristics suit a particular type of vehicle and because of the convenience of home charging negating needing to visit petrol stations, my reasons are not to save the planet. A car as a commuter tool that will be restful, ready and heated up to go on a cold morning or ready and chilled on a hot one, will have minimal maintenance and should prove pretty stress free to own sounds pretty good to me as a tool for getting from a to b. I don't get the hatred.
I agree entirely. We have an EV as our transport and a couple of other cars for fun when we don't need all the benefits of the EV. Many PH regulars seem to think you've handed over your petrolhead credentials by driving an EV but they make so much sense in so many ways. No they aren't yet all about the fun or thrill of driving but much of real-world motoring is neither fun nor thrilling in the UK. biggbn said:
SidewaysSi said:
Macboy said:
biggbn said:
I would rather like an electric vehicle, but because their characteristics suit a particular type of vehicle and because of the convenience of home charging negating needing to visit petrol stations, my reasons are not to save the planet. A car as a commuter tool that will be restful, ready and heated up to go on a cold morning or ready and chilled on a hot one, will have minimal maintenance and should prove pretty stress free to own sounds pretty good to me as a tool for getting from a to b. I don't get the hatred.
I agree entirely. We have an EV as our transport and a couple of other cars for fun when we don't need all the benefits of the EV. Many PH regulars seem to think you've handed over your petrolhead credentials by driving an EV but they make so much sense in so many ways. No they aren't yet all about the fun or thrill of driving but much of real-world motoring is neither fun nor thrilling in the UK. - No petrol stations to visit.
- You don't feel too cold for a few minutes in winter.
- You don't feel too warm for a few minutes in summer. I totally understand - I hate sweaty balls too.
- Is "restful". Does that mean it has a low bonnet so you can take a nap on it?
- You are so busy you dont have time to service a car every 2 years
Fair enough.
SidewaysSi said:
biggbn said:
SidewaysSi said:
Macboy said:
biggbn said:
I would rather like an electric vehicle, but because their characteristics suit a particular type of vehicle and because of the convenience of home charging negating needing to visit petrol stations, my reasons are not to save the planet. A car as a commuter tool that will be restful, ready and heated up to go on a cold morning or ready and chilled on a hot one, will have minimal maintenance and should prove pretty stress free to own sounds pretty good to me as a tool for getting from a to b. I don't get the hatred.
I agree entirely. We have an EV as our transport and a couple of other cars for fun when we don't need all the benefits of the EV. Many PH regulars seem to think you've handed over your petrolhead credentials by driving an EV but they make so much sense in so many ways. No they aren't yet all about the fun or thrill of driving but much of real-world motoring is neither fun nor thrilling in the UK. - No petrol stations to visit.
- You don't feel too cold for a few minutes in winter.
- You don't feel too warm for a few minutes in summer. I totally understand - I hate sweaty balls too.
- Is "restful". Does that mean it has a low bonnet so you can take a nap on it?
- You are so busy you dont have time to service a car every 2 years
Fair enough.
Edit, I can't wait for a fully autonomous ev for commuting purposes, no fun in trawling up a dual carriageway and sitting in traffic either end, is there?
thewarlock said:
_Bozzy said:
I don't like the car.. it looks like a half baked attempt at an EV hot hatch. The top speed doesn't bother me though.. I don't think anyone drives over that speed in the real world. Track days being the exception, but who would want to track a 2 tonne EV?
Maybe people shouldn't drive over that speed in the real world. But they definitely do.lordturns said:
markBXTR said:
No thanks, I'd rather be dead than drive one of these scam unethical vehicles. Electric vehicles are the answer to the question nobody really wanted to ask the question to.
Follow the money people, you are being scammed and nudged by the government and the media in to excepting the lie of man made climate change.
Couldn't agree more...what does it tell you when many of the keynote speakers at COP26 were bankers, for example: Larry Fink CEO of Blackrock - they are all invested in the climate change scam. All the predictions for well over fifty years haven't come true. Has there ever been a more impotant time to do your own research?Follow the money people, you are being scammed and nudged by the government and the media in to excepting the lie of man made climate change.
Are we all on a flat earth too?
Max_Torque said:
er, folks this is really just a Golf Gti replacement / competitor
So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
No it isn’t!So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
A golf Gti is quicker, is quite entertaining to drive and as far as easy to drive goes…. How challenging to you find an ICE car?!
This is an electric box and it’s competitor is all other electric boxes of the same price. Maybe one day an actual EV hot hatch will be made and I look forward to Porsche’s electric Cayman offering which might just might be interesting. Until then though they remain most uninteresting (P11d aside)
whp1983 said:
A golf Gti is quicker, is quite entertaining to drive
it goes faster yes, but it aini't going to be any quicker in the real world for most people who don't actually drive above 100 mph very often because it's rather frowned upon and frankly, there's mostly too many cars in the way these days. A golf Gti these days is not at all entertaining to drive, sorry, it's an inert fun sponge ime.....Numpty with honours said:
What is with the privacy glass?
With normal glass, the design would flow so much better. Recently, I saw it on a 911 and could not help thinking that it would be unlikely that a head of state would be in the back
I think the car is a very presentable hatchback, but tarnished a little bit by the privacy glass
Other EV offerings in this group will be coming very soon, on that we can be certain
Yes, I hate this privacy glass trend. I'd much prefer it if the back half of the car matched the front.With normal glass, the design would flow so much better. Recently, I saw it on a 911 and could not help thinking that it would be unlikely that a head of state would be in the back
I think the car is a very presentable hatchback, but tarnished a little bit by the privacy glass
Other EV offerings in this group will be coming very soon, on that we can be certain
Hopefully like excessive use of touch screens and oversized wheels it will fall out of fashion soon.
Max_Torque said:
er, folks this is really just a Golf Gti replacement / competitor
So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
Someone with a rational opinion.So it's perfectly fast enough, handles perfectly well enough and just works as a car really.
it's not a Ferrari or a Lotus and i wouldn't take it for a sunday drive just for fun anymore than i would take a Golf Gti for a sunday drive just for fun.
the difference is in the real world this EV will be faster and easier to drive, quieter, smoother and consume between 3 and 4 times less energy and emit something like 5 times less carbon for every mile it is driven, and on short, slow trips, which are very typical in the uk driving during rush hour etc, it'll probably double those reductions
We have a 20 plate Cupra Leon. We have had a test drive of the born. Ok 0-60 isn’t as quick but do a 0-60 in the Leon and it’s wheel hop heaven. Anyone who does 0-60 now anyway ?
Top speed 99mph, Leon does 160. We have never seen over 95 anyway because you know this is Britain and you just can’t risk it.
The bucket seats in the born though are so much better than the Leon which we had to go with the lux model for.
For our driving habits now which have changed due to WFH it’s ideal as we are doing less miles.
Downward said:
Someone with a rational opinion.
We have a 20 plate Cupra Leon. We have had a test drive of the born. Ok 0-60 isn’t as quick but do a 0-60 in the Leon and it’s wheel hop heaven. Anyone who does 0-60 now anyway ?
Top speed 99mph, Leon does 160. We have never seen over 95 anyway because you know this is Britain and you just can’t risk it.
The bucket seats in the born though are so much better than the Leon which we had to go with the lux model for.
For our driving habits now which have changed due to WFH it’s ideal as we are doing less miles.
The seats in the Born are rather nice We have a 20 plate Cupra Leon. We have had a test drive of the born. Ok 0-60 isn’t as quick but do a 0-60 in the Leon and it’s wheel hop heaven. Anyone who does 0-60 now anyway ?
Top speed 99mph, Leon does 160. We have never seen over 95 anyway because you know this is Britain and you just can’t risk it.
The bucket seats in the born though are so much better than the Leon which we had to go with the lux model for.
For our driving habits now which have changed due to WFH it’s ideal as we are doing less miles.
I have and have had cars with top speed way way beyond 150mph. I topped out one car a few decades ago in France wipers appeared to flap a bit and speedo as I glanced for a second appeared to be close to 150mph - once.
Beyond that 100-120mph sure that’s happened I’d wager it isn’t even once a year if not once in many many years.
M way I pretty much hold 70mph
Overtaking on A/B roads I think it’s likely I probably hit beyond 70 - though being honest I’m not sure I’ve overtaken anyone since Covid happened / certainly did before as more opportunity but now WFH the usage of the car is tiny.
lordturns said:
markBXTR said:
No thanks, I'd rather be dead than drive one of these scam unethical vehicles. Electric vehicles are the answer to the question nobody really wanted to ask the question to.
Follow the money people, you are being scammed and nudged by the government and the media in to excepting the lie of man made climate change.
Couldn't agree more...what does it tell you when many of the keynote speakers at COP26 were bankers, for example: Larry Fink CEO of Blackrock - they are all invested in the climate change scam. All the predictions for well over fifty years haven't come true. Has there ever been a more impotant time to do your own research?Follow the money people, you are being scammed and nudged by the government and the media in to excepting the lie of man made climate change.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/man-wh...
One complaint I have about the Born (might be the same for all EVs?) is when I was checking out the boot I discovered the hidden storage but it has the charging cable in it. However if your boots full of grocery luggage stuff it’s then difficult to get the cable out /a faff or you dump the cable on top of all your things. Not great/annoying I’d say.
The other thing is the sheer size of the wheels so so tall/big looked fine but wow I can imagine those tyres will be pricy.
The other thing is the sheer size of the wheels so so tall/big looked fine but wow I can imagine those tyres will be pricy.
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