RE: 2022 Toyota GR86 | PH Review
Discussion
flasher said:
bennno said:
Mines built and floating it’s way through the Indian Ocean to Blighty as I type......
And you’ll flip it at a premium within a few weeks 
MyV10BarksAndBites said:
Why ?…
The extra torque, power and third pedal will make it more accessible at low speeds than the GR… You also have the option of putting on less grippy tyres if that’s your thing…
A twin test is in order I think… Would be interesting…
You couldn’t plant your foot for more than a few seconds on literally any road without being at illegal speeds in a Supra, I reckon I see a camera van at least 2-3 times a week now and lately police bikers with tripod mounted cameras that are very hard to spot so what’s the point? My dad always had AMG’s growing up and even he said it was frustrating only being able to use a fraction of the power 90% of the time. I can’t wait to wring the neck of the GR without getting too silly speed wise.The extra torque, power and third pedal will make it more accessible at low speeds than the GR… You also have the option of putting on less grippy tyres if that’s your thing…
A twin test is in order I think… Would be interesting…
Twin test seems pointless with going on 20k difference, the supra will be superior in every performance metric but will it be more fun? The GT86 was great fun even when not going particularly fast but the GR sounds like that and then some.
Seano1878 said:
You couldn’t plant your foot for more than a few seconds on literally any road without being at illegal speeds in a Supra, I reckon I see a camera van at least 2-3 times a week now and lately police bikers with tripod mounted cameras that are very hard to spot so what’s the point? My dad always had AMG’s growing up and even he said it was frustrating only being able to use a fraction of the power 90% of the time. I can’t wait to wring the neck of the GR without getting too silly speed wise.
Twin test seems pointless with going on 20k difference, the supra will be superior in every performance metric but will it be more fun? The GT86 was great fun even when not going particularly fast but the GR sounds like that and then some.
Utterly pointless indeed. The thing with the GR86 is that it is alone in the market. This is a sports car on a bespoke chassis with rear seats (they may be small but a lot of us have small kids that will fit). At the price point it's this or a MX-5 but that's only 2 seats. Twin test seems pointless with going on 20k difference, the supra will be superior in every performance metric but will it be more fun? The GT86 was great fun even when not going particularly fast but the GR sounds like that and then some.
Even if you are based in the U.S. you can't compare the Z as it's 33% more expensive and again only 2 seats. I'm not 100% on pricing in the U.S. but maybe a base Mustang is "competition". A Camaro 2.0 is about the same price but this is also based on a common platform.
Edited by Das Baron on Monday 30th May 13:04
Edited by Das Baron on Monday 30th May 13:07
Seano1878 said:
MyV10BarksAndBites said:
Why ?…
The extra torque, power and third pedal will make it more accessible at low speeds than the GR… You also have the option of putting on less grippy tyres if that’s your thing…
A twin test is in order I think… Would be interesting…
You couldn’t plant your foot for more than a few seconds on literally any road without being at illegal speeds in a Supra, I reckon I see a camera van at least 2-3 times a week now and lately police bikers with tripod mounted cameras that are very hard to spot so what’s the point? My dad always had AMG’s growing up and even he said it was frustrating only being able to use a fraction of the power 90% of the time. I can’t wait to wring the neck of the GR without getting too silly speed wise.The extra torque, power and third pedal will make it more accessible at low speeds than the GR… You also have the option of putting on less grippy tyres if that’s your thing…
A twin test is in order I think… Would be interesting…
I've come from Mk3 TTRS, Lexus RCF, 350bhp Polo, among various other high power cars.
Looking forward to the GR86 being fun/usable on the public roads.
Ok guys 
The 2.0 Supra is not a Super Car and the GR has more than a 100hp…..
They can both do illegal and you can absolutely ring a 2.0 Supras neck everywhere…
Anyway that’s enough from me (The twin test was about how they both drive not just performance)…
The 2.0 Supra is not a Super Car and the GR has more than a 100hp…..They can both do illegal and you can absolutely ring a 2.0 Supras neck everywhere…
Anyway that’s enough from me
(The twin test was about how they both drive not just performance)…Edited by MyV10BarksAndBites on Monday 30th May 17:59
Poorly written article that's just trying too hard, it was a real effort getting through as others have said. Who on earth uses the word "Ensorcel"? Which, incidentally he hasn't managed to spelt correctly. Nice car though.
Edited by kpelise on Tuesday 31st May 15:51
Edited by kpelise on Tuesday 31st May 15:51
flasher said:
bennno said:
My eldest's now a mechanic at Toyota so cheap servicing and a 10 year warranty in addition to nothing similar being available (with end of ICE) means probably a keeper.
ill have a crisp £20 note that its gone before the end of AugustTrevor555 said:
All pushed back to October if rumours are correct.
The ones that are already in the country (and have been since May/June) are now late September/October for delivery a few customers have been told. If you didn't order in the first few minutes then it's sometime in 2023. Maybe. They're refusing to say exactly what the delay is. As has been the case throughout, Toyota GB's communication with both customers and dealers has been utterly hopeless. I had my call. Same as everyone else told to expect 2023.
Although someone with an order 1 minute after mime got told October this year.
I'm hopefully going to be in a Fiesta ST in a couple of months so I'll run that for a bit I've decided. Poor financial decision probably but I'm bored s
tless. 3 years without something interesting now
Ironically want to push the GR86 back maybe till the back end of 2023 now so I can have some fun in the fiesta for a year. Might have to change the colour so I'm at the back of the queue
Think 1 person cancelled already because of this st show from Toyota
Although someone with an order 1 minute after mime got told October this year.
I'm hopefully going to be in a Fiesta ST in a couple of months so I'll run that for a bit I've decided. Poor financial decision probably but I'm bored s
tless. 3 years without something interesting nowIronically want to push the GR86 back maybe till the back end of 2023 now so I can have some fun in the fiesta for a year. Might have to change the colour so I'm at the back of the queue
Think 1 person cancelled already because of this s
t show from Toyota So my car isn't due until the summer at the earliest but I was allowed a test drive in one and I have to say it's sensational to drive. Ride / handling balance is absolutely spot on and it carves through corners.
My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
J-P said:
So my car isn't due until the summer at the earliest but I was allowed a test drive in one and I have to say it's sensational to drive. Ride / handling balance is absolutely spot on and it carves through corners.
My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
It’s not quite as good to drive as a 981 cayman or Boxster imho….My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
bennno said:
J-P said:
So my car isn't due until the summer at the earliest but I was allowed a test drive in one and I have to say it's sensational to drive. Ride / handling balance is absolutely spot on and it carves through corners.
My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
It’s not quite as good to drive as a 981 cayman or Boxster imho….My initial impressions on getting in the car were positive, the seat goes nice and low - there's a bit of alcantara on the instrument cowl and the door cards. The contact points on the steering wheel are very nice - the wheel itself is quite small (which I like). The view out of the front windscreen is excellent - reminiscent of older cars with small A-pillars - the gear lever is nice and high up and the handbrake is right next to you (almost begging to be yanked). Sure the plastics could be nicer but this is a £30k car and it looks fine.
Thumb the starter button and the engine settles quickly into a nice thrum. But nothing really prepares you for how the car goes when you pull away. Obviously, I'd read every review going, including EVO COTY, but within the first few feet of driving off, you know that this car is a bit special - it just feels right. At this point I'm just familiarising myself with the controls but within about 10 minutes, I'm flabbergasted by how well this car drives. The steering is alive with feel, the gearchange is positive and precise and you can feel everything that the chassis is doing all the time - I love this as it makes even a mundane drive feel special.
So naturally, I turn the wick up a bit and I find that this car is a willing and able partner that is definitely on your side - the road is a little damp but the little Toyota just scythes through the corners with aplomb, exiting with just a hint of oversteer, the balance is absolutely spectacular! I wouldn't say that this is a quick car, I've driven many that are far quicker but not once did I feel like I was in a slow car and boy can it "make progress" - this is one of those cars where you need to keep an eye on the speed because it can corner so quickly. On a testing backroad, I reckon you'd be able to keep pace with just about anything and because it's so small, you have loads of options in corners.
After about 30minutes, I'm wondering how on earth did Toyota get this so right for £30k? It drives unbelievably well, it has cruise control, climate, traction control, apple car play - the pedal placement is perfect for H&T and then I forget about all that and just drive it, relishing every moment.
So what were the downsides? Well the armrests could be a couple of mm higher maybe? And that's it - the indicator thing that others complained about didn't bother me at all - unlike in mid-2000's BMWs, you don't end up indicating the wrong way all of the time when cancelling, the slightest nudge in the opposite direction cancels the indicator - all very simple.
There are some cars that I've been lucky enough to own or drive that just stick in the memory and feel right from outset. The 997 911 GTS and Renault Clio Trophy I had are good examples of this - there are others that stick in the mind because although they may not be perfect, they are so mind-bendingly good to drive Caterhan 620 R and 997 911 GT3 RS 4.0 are a couple of good examples of this. That this little Toyota made me think about those cars and the drives I had in them, is frankly all you need to know and is astounding, but then again the GR86 is an astounding car - if Carlsberg did entry level sportscars, this would be it, it really is that good!
J-P said:
Fair enough - the only 981 I'd prefer is the GTS or the GT4 (obvs) but other than that I'd take the GR86 all day every day - it's brilliant!
My gr86 arrived, drove it back to back with my base 2.7L 981 and personally decided the 981 was the keeper…..Porsche just has a bit more go, steers a bit sharper and interior nicer. Gr86 on finance offer however is a bargain.
bennno said:
J-P said:
Fair enough - the only 981 I'd prefer is the GTS or the GT4 (obvs) but other than that I'd take the GR86 all day every day - it's brilliant!
My gr86 arrived, drove it back to back with my base 2.7L 981 and personally decided the 981 was the keeper…..Porsche just has a bit more go, steers a bit sharper and interior nicer. Gr86 on finance offer however is a bargain.
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