RE: Renaultsport Megane 275 Cup-S | PH Fleet

RE: Renaultsport Megane 275 Cup-S | PH Fleet

Wednesday 8th June 2022

Renaultsport Megane 275 Cup-S | PH Fleet

Want to know the potential pitfalls of owning probably the best-ever front-drive hot hatch? Join us...


Owning a Renaultsport isn’t always as glamourous as it looks. I’ve had eight of them, so I should know. I doubt you need me to tell you that French cars have a bit of a reputation for being unreliable either. Ironically, the six Renaultsports I’ve owned prior to GJ65 BYO have been the most dependable cars I’ve ever owned. So obviously it was time for a change. 

I doubt there’s a single buying guide on PH without a few warnings for common problems and things to look out for when buying anything built across the channel; it’s just that the Renaultsport Megane 275 might have a slightly longer list than normal, and not all of them are cheap to fix. I bought my car with an open mind, and on the assumption that there would be a few things that would need sorting along the way. As it happens, almost all the things listed have cropped up in my 21 months of ownership.

The leaking rocker cover gasket was a lucky catch early on thanks to an early belt change at five years instead of six, which might have been otherwise catastrophic for the engine. The other biggy that I’d prepared for was a gearbox rebuild, which seems to be a trait in the 275-variant due to Renault changing to different bearings towards the end of the product lifecycle. Lord knows why.

Consequently, once the age-old trick of trying to ignore a strange noise or turning the music up to drown it out stopped working, I finally caved and swung by AW Motorworks in Essex to get it checked out. It didn’t take Alex long to confirm something wasn’t right, so we swiftly booked it in for a quoted £1,200 for the gearbox rebuild including removal and refitting.

Even though my car had only covered 39k miles, I figured while the ‘box was off I may as well get a new clutch kit and flywheel fitted. They found minor oil and coolant leaks along with a weeping clutch damper (another common failure) too. So, with a handful of new parts I hadn’t really planned for - on top of having my front Brembo calipers rebuilt - the final bill ended up a grand more than the original quote.

Thankfully, the service at AW Motorworks was outstanding and I’d thoroughly recommend them to any fellow Renaultsport owners – everything was done in-house; I was kept informed every step of the way and GJ65 BYO is driving beautifully again without any unwanted noises. On top of all the above, since buying the car is September 2020, I’ve replaced discs and pads all round and a pair of tyres, taking my total expenditure including servicing but excluding modifications, to £4,297 in just under two years. And sure, I could’ve cut some corners here or there, but I’m a peace-of-mind kinda guy. 

Nevertheless, it does reinforce the idea that while Renaultsport Meganes are relatively affordable cars to buy, there is a tendency for the running costs to be higher than a lot of people expect. Which is likely why they change hands so often, rather than owners being disappointed with the way they drive. Because how can you be? Despite the cost, I still look at it like a puppy that has just chewed your favourite shoes. You can’t help but love the thing.

Every time I drive GJ65 BYO on a clear B-road it reminds me why I bought it, and despite what might be quite a shocking cost of ownership to some for a six-year-old French hatchback, it has been totally worth it to me. And seeing MDifficult’s cost of ownership for his F10 M5 shortly after the rebuild made me feel a bit better. Let’s just hope the next two years are a little less expensive, especially after my acquisition of the Megane’s older brother with a long shopping list in hand.


Car: 2015 Renault Sport Megane 275 Cup-S
Run by: Ben Lowden
On fleet since: September 2020
Mileage: 41,032

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humphra

Original Poster:

485 posts

93 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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That's a painful tally of bills for a car that's just 7 years old and IMO low mileage. But then again, I think we've all been there where we just accept the bills because the car's worth it! Glad it's being enjoyed and it looks great!

gashead1105

561 posts

154 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Interesting thoughts on the gearbox. I have a lower mileage (26k) 275 trophy and the box is fine. I use Ren-O-Tec in Chelmsford and their view was that i didn't even need to change the gearbox oil.

That being said, I've just had to have new lower swivel hub bearings fitted, which along with a track rod end and new battery ended up costing me over 600 quid. Such is life I guess, the car is back to its pin sharp best now.

MyV10BarksAndBites

944 posts

50 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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humphra said:
That's a painful tally of bills for a car that's just 7 years old and IMO low mileage. But then again, I think we've all been there where we just accept the bills because the car's worth it! Glad it's being enjoyed and it looks great!
U

This!!!

Woody2043

41 posts

81 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Mine did a gearbox and an Ohlins shock by 14k miles. And a bizarre very loud squeak from a loose subframe bolt that took about 3 dealer visits to diagnose. Dealer told me the shock was £1500 and they agreed to replace both at the front. But, an incredible B road car, no question.

KPB1973

920 posts

100 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I'm thinking of going back to an RS Megane (which would be my 4th) but I don't think I can stretch to a 275 this time as I need to free up some cash from my 987.2 BS.

So it's interesting to hear that the gearbox problems is somewhat specific to that variant, as i'm more likely to go 250 or 265 and get a mild map on it.

Other than a thermostat on my first 250, the last one (also a flame red 275 with Ohlins, Akra, Recaros etc) was the only one I had issues with, with a swivel bearing going at sub 30k miles and the same engine leak from the top. All sorted under warranty though.

This article has really whetted my appetite for another though.


davidc1

1,547 posts

163 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I think these costs would sour the ownership for many. I have had 4 renaultsport cars in the past. 12 years of ownership and they were reliable fun goodlooking cars.
2 16v ers . A 197 cup and a 200 cup.

S600BSB

4,823 posts

107 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Think I will keep the 997 and save some money..

jenkosrugby

82 posts

221 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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To be honest, as nice as these cars are, the faults are unforgivable in this day and age. I had a Renault 1916v back in the late 90's, and guess what gearbox bearing failed......I do appreciate its not just renault that suffers, but the likes of Honda seem to have nailed the high performance reliability thing.

KPB1973

920 posts

100 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I think people are jumping to the conclusion that these are inherently unreliable cars. In my experience at least, they're not. They're tough but relatively affordable, which will inevitably suffer if not maintained properly or on a skimped budget.

Water Fairy

5,518 posts

156 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I find needing a gearbox rebuild at 39k miles unacceptable to be perfectly honest. It's a Megane for goodness sake not some flakey exotic. My old E46 spotter is currently on 190k and has more torque than these and runs sweetly. Not a rebuilt ever in its history. It doesn't help that my one and only Megane experience (a new Sport Alize Coupe) was not very satisfactory.

smudge71

10 posts

125 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Sounds like a bit of bad luck but a lot of that spend on brakes would apply to any hot hatch.

I’ve had an R26 for 4 years, RS250 for 2 years and now an RS275 Trophy last 3 years and none of them have given any trouble bar servicing costs and normal consumables, and I do like to abuse them.

Ive gone and bloody cursed it now for sure

bigmowley

1,904 posts

177 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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275CupS from new here. Just on 21K miles and not a single issue so far. I have it on the Renault extended warranty as well so presumably the box would be covered?
It’s had quite a few sets of tyres, discs and pads in that time though wink

charlestdci

18 posts

220 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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To offer some balance, I've just sold my 265 Cup after 6 years of ownership. Only "fault" in this time was a battery replacement but we should probably regard this sort of thing as a consumable.

Cost of regular maintenance is a little on the high side for a hot hatch I think (£800 approx for belts, water pump and dephaser, £800 approx for OEM disc and pad replacement).

It was still on the original clutch at 62000 miles. Overall, I'd say my ownership experience was reasonable, from a reliability & maintenance point of view.

alex_2015

155 posts

36 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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humphra said:
That's a painful tally of bills for a car that's just 7 years old and IMO low mileage. But then again, I think we've all been there where we just accept the bills because the car's worth it! Glad it's being enjoyed and it looks great!
40k miles is an awful lot for a sports car. Given the target segment(enthusiasts) assume that most of them will be trashed ("enjoyed" all the way including DCT style gearshifts) and "improved" by modifying them.
Then they sell them as virgins.

Some years ago I was looking for a GTR r32 and there was not a single one sane in its head. All were destroyed by mods with a gazillion of hp.

Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:50


Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:51

alex_2015

155 posts

36 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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humphra said:
That's a painful tally of bills for a car that's just 7 years old and IMO low mileage. But then again, I think we've all been there where we just accept the bills because the car's worth it! Glad it's being enjoyed and it looks great!
40k miles is an awful lot for a sports car. Given the target segment(enthusiasts) assume that most of them will be trashed ("enjoyed" all the way including DCT style gearshifts) and "improved" by modifying them.
Then they sell them as virgins.

Some years ago I was looking for a GTR r32 and there was not a single one sane in its head. All were destroyed by mods with a gazillion of hp.

Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:50


Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:53

fantheman80

1,466 posts

50 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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alex_2015 said:
40k miles is an awful lot for a sports car. Given the target segment(enthusiasts) assume that most of them will be trashed ("enjoyed" all the way including DCT style gearshifts) and "improved" by modifying them.
Then they sell them as virgins.

Some years ago I was looking for a GTR r32 and there was not a single one sane in its head. All were destroyed by mods with a gazillion of hp.

Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:50


Edited by alex_2015 on Wednesday 8th June 18:51
It’s not a sports car, it’s a hot hatch and 40k miles is nothing for anything built after 1972

GibsonSG

276 posts

112 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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I ran one for 55k miles on light duty. Gearbox failed, clutch failed, cat converter went, issues with the ICE, hub issues. It was off the road more times than it was on. I enjoyed driving the car but the issues were too much for a daily.

Compare and contrast to my competiton car - an MX5 used for sprints, hillclimbs and track days. After a lot of brutal use I replaced the engine and gearbox this year, both 30 years old and at least a third of that on track (120k miles as well). Its not a standard car either, 196 bhp on a nat asp 1.6. Renault could learn a few lessons about durability from that car.

Xenoous

1,043 posts

59 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Well, reading this makes me feel a lot better, on the day I just got my own Megane RS265 back from AW Motorworks for very similar work. Mines a little older (2012) early phase 2 model on 75k miles. Work carried out:

  • gearbox removal, new bearings and seals, refit
  • clutch and DMF
  • clutch damper delete
  • FARB bracket
  • rebuilt rear calipers
Firstly I'd just like to say thanks to Alex for keeping me in the loop along the way with comes and pics. He's a solid guy and definitely recommend to anyone needing work down on their Renault Sport. Don't think I'll take mine anywhere else.

My car, like yours has had nothing but issues, however I went in with a heart vs head decision, and wish I went otherwise. My car is in my PH garage if you want to see the work I've had done since purchasing in Jan 2021, but long story short, just about everything common that can go wrong, has.

Now the vast majority of work is complete, I'm looking forward to enjoying it over summer. It drives better than anything I've sat behind the wheel of. It's hugely capable, fun at normal speeds and looks brilliant, at least in my opinion.

Remaining jobs to get sorted are dog bone mount, oil breather gasket, a/c condenser and cambelt next year.

Would I recommend these cars to someone? Probably not, no. The more I read, the more I understand they're unreliable, French and generally poor quality cars. However, to drive, they're sublime. If you can afford to splash out at least 1k a year in maintenance, go for it, otherwise look elsewhere.

Ben, if you're fairly local to Cambridgeshire/Suffolk, I'd love to meet up at some point and go for a drive if you're part of any clubs. I really do want to get out and enjoy this car properly.

Anyway, pics of its latest surgery.





Edited by Xenoous on Wednesday 8th June 21:03

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Xenoous said:
Well, reading this makes me feel a lot better, on the day I just got my own Megane RS265 back from AW Motorworks for very similar work. Mines a little older (2012) early phase 2 model on 75k miles. Work carried out:

  • gearbox removal, new bearings and seals, refit
  • clutch and DMF
  • clutch damper delete
  • FARB bracket
  • rebuilt rear calipers
Firstly I'd just like to say thanks to Alex for keeping me in the loop along the way with comes and pics. He's a solid guy and definitely recommend to anyone needing work down on their Renault Sport. Don't think I'll take mine anywhere else.

My car, like yours has had nothing but issues, however I went in with a heart vs head decision, and wish I went otherwise. My car is in my PH garage if you want to see the work I've had done since purchasing in Jan 2021, but long story short, just about everything common that can go wrong, has.

Now the vast majority of work is complete, I'm looking forward to enjoying it over summer. It drives better than anything I've sat behind the wheel of. It's hugely capable, fun at normal speeds and looks brilliant, at least in my opinion.

Remaining jobs to get sorted are dog bone mount, oil breather gasket, a/c condenser and cambelt next year.

Would I recommend these cars to someone? Probably not, no. The more I read, the more I understand they're unreliable, French and generally poor quality cars. However, to drive, they're sublime. If you can afford to splash out at least 1k a year in maintenance, go for it, otherwise look elsewhere.

Ben, if you're fairly local to Cambridgeshire/Suffolk, I'd love to meet up at some point and go for a drive if you're part of any clubs. I really do want to get out and enjoy this car properly.

Anyway, pics of its latest surgery.





Edited by Xenoous on Wednesday 8th June 21:03
£1k a year?! My 911 is a bargain in comparison... smile

Xenoous

1,043 posts

59 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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SidewaysSi said:
£1k a year?! My 911 is a bargain in comparison... smile
I'm probably just bitter right now, but servicing and general repairs, probably closer to £500 a year with the occasional monster bill.