RE: Peugeot 205 XS | Spotted
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Caddyshack said:
Is it a twin carb or a twin choke carb?
Just a twin choke, same as the ax gT, quite easy to get a bit more go with a bigger jet and air filter .Unless you’ve driven an XS you won’t understand how good there were to drive ( had lots of 205 Gti 1.6/1.9 and track and rally prepared 205’s as well) the XS felt as much fun if no more than a good Gti ( ok not as fast but more fun somehow).
rallycross said:
Caddyshack said:
Is it a twin carb or a twin choke carb?
Just a twin choke, same as the ax gT, quite easy to get a bit more go with a bigger jet and air filter .Unless you’ve driven an XS you won’t understand how good there were to drive ( had lots of 205 Gti 1.6/1.9 and track and rally prepared 205’s as well) the XS felt as much fun if no more than a good Gti ( ok not as fast but more fun somehow).
Twin choke carb was in the later TU engines. I'm pretty sure the earlier ones like this example had twin carbs. Friend in the motor club I was in at the time had one of these - access to bits like the starter motor must have been tricky as the engine was laid over on its back almost. Gearbox was in the sump too!
rallycross said:
Caddyshack said:
Is it a twin carb or a twin choke carb?
Just a twin choke, same as the ax gT, quite easy to get a bit more go with a bigger jet and air filter .Unless you’ve driven an XS you won’t understand how good there were to drive ( had lots of 205 Gti 1.6/1.9 and track and rally prepared 205’s as well) the XS felt as much fun if no more than a good Gti ( ok not as fast but more fun somehow).
I had an F plated one and as everyone said what a stunner - I had gone from a Golf Driver with the optional E gear. Nice car but heavy to the XS and wow. Cheap, light and so much fun - learnt all about lift off oversteer on a damp roundabout and had so much fun.
Upgraded to a GTi 1.9 and again loved it. which I had for a few years. Sold it to a mate and he took the front corner off 3 hours after buying it!!! I was so upset as it was my pride and joy before he took it. No accounting for talent!
Little things to mine was add some red tape over the silver on the bumpers but other than that it was stock.
Upgraded to a GTi 1.9 and again loved it. which I had for a few years. Sold it to a mate and he took the front corner off 3 hours after buying it!!! I was so upset as it was my pride and joy before he took it. No accounting for talent!
Little things to mine was add some red tape over the silver on the bumpers but other than that it was stock.
rallycross said:
Unless you’ve driven an XS you won’t understand how good there were to drive ( had lots of 205 Gti 1.6/1.9 and track and rally prepared 205’s as well) the XS felt as much fun if no more than a good Gti ( ok not as fast but more fun somehow).
Agreed, I had a white one which was followed by 1.6 and 1.9 Gti's and a 309 gti. Fondest memories are of the XS though, maybe because it was my first sporty hatch but it was a lovely handling little car. If I had the money for a collection there'd be an XS amongst them. cknotty said:
Thanks for the mention PH!
Twin choke carb was in the later TU engines. I'm pretty sure the earlier ones like this example had twin carbs. Friend in the motor club I was in at the time had one of these - access to bits like the starter motor must have been tricky as the engine was laid over on its back almost. Gearbox was in the sump too!
Definitely twin single-choke Solex on the early XY engine cars. I had one back in the early 90's as my first 205. Great little car, kept up easily with a mate's 1.6GTi down the lanes. He was a bit put out that he couldn't shake me Twin choke carb was in the later TU engines. I'm pretty sure the earlier ones like this example had twin carbs. Friend in the motor club I was in at the time had one of these - access to bits like the starter motor must have been tricky as the engine was laid over on its back almost. Gearbox was in the sump too!
.Much later I had a TU-engined version with the single twin-choke. Also a great little car, should have kept it but was running out of room on the drive.
Chris, were you in Southsea/Wessex MCs back in the day? If so, I remember you
.Ken P said:
Definitely twin single-choke Solex on the early XY engine cars. I had one back in the early 90's as my first 205. Great little car, kept up easily with a mate's 1.6GTi down the lanes. He was a bit put out that he couldn't shake me .
Much later I had a TU-engined version with the single twin-choke. Also a great little car, should have kept it but was running out of room on the drive.
Chris, were you in Southsea/Wessex MCs back in the day? If so, I remember you.
Hi Ken, yes that's me .Much later I had a TU-engined version with the single twin-choke. Also a great little car, should have kept it but was running out of room on the drive.
Chris, were you in Southsea/Wessex MCs back in the day? If so, I remember you
. Definitely enjoyed doing/marshalling the 12-cars when we/Southsea ran them Sold for £4200 + fees 1 year ago.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
MattsCar said:
Sold for £4200 + fees 1 year ago.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
It isn’t general inflation driving it up. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
The car can be advertised for more and maybe someone will buy it near the price advertised….just simply supply and demand in the classic car world. 205’s have been rising gradually for years and a really good gti might be over £25k now which also drags up the rest of the 205’s.
Caddyshack said:
MattsCar said:
Sold for £4200 + fees 1 year ago.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
It isn’t general inflation driving it up. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1987-peugeot-2...
Does recent inflation account for it doubling in price? Probably not.
The car can be advertised for more and maybe someone will buy it near the price advertised….just simply supply and demand in the classic car world. 205’s have been rising gradually for years and a really good gti might be over £25k now which also drags up the rest of the 205’s.
However, GTI's/205's in general haven't doubled in price in the last year. In fact, they have been reasonably static over the past couple of years, from what I have seen.
It was sold by auction, on a well visited, popular site, so the "demand" side had the chance to decide the value a year ago.
However, like you said, someone may buy it and they can price it, however they wish.
Portofino said:
Rose tinted monocles much. Why anyone would buy this at this price I don’t know.
Sure it’s fun like a lot of eighties cars made out of, in this case choux pastry & bacofoil, but after the honeymoon period all your left with is humdrum mid range eighties run about.
Echo my sentiments exactly. This goes for any 80's hatch of any heat! They're old, they're tired, they're rough and ready! Most of all, they're over priced.Sure it’s fun like a lot of eighties cars made out of, in this case choux pastry & bacofoil, but after the honeymoon period all your left with is humdrum mid range eighties run about.
BFleming said:
My second-ever car was a 1985 205 GT, replacing a 1980 Golf 1.5 GLS. The Peugeot was so much faster & more nimble, but it wasn't without its faults. I bought it, and a month later the CV joints both started knocking. Turns out the receipt that was in the handover pack for CV joints was nothing to do with this car. The reverse lights used to stay on irrespective what position the key was in - cue an often flat battery. The ignition barrel was tempramental, and possibly led to those aforementioned occasional battery drains. There was so much play in the steering rack that I eventually bought a new one to swap into it, but it was from a newer model, so the steering column was different. I needed to source and fit the lower column, which took some time. The choke spindle was so worn that it used to stick, making cold starts difficult. Cue opening the bonnet & setting the choke spindle manually. It went off fine mind. The rear left brake caliper stuck on one pan-European trip, but it seemed ok once it cooled down. The electric front windows packed up, so in went keep-fit window regulators. But the biggest achilles heel was the gearbox / gearchange. At the end of the car's life it was dreadful - so much wear & broadly no syncromesh left anywhere.
I miss the go-kart-like precision of a 205, but the 309 GTI Phase 2 that replaced the 205 was a better car in every way.
309 GTI Phase 2!! Great cars.... had a white 3-door, when at Mercury Comms.... no other car I've had steered like that, I loved it. Looked good, too. Whole other thread, though.I miss the go-kart-like precision of a 205, but the 309 GTI Phase 2 that replaced the 205 was a better car in every way.
Edited by BFleming on Saturday 25th June 11:44
I had use of a TU-engined XS as a pool car during my placement year, I loved tearing round the roads of North Yorkshire in it. Probably my favourite car from the eclectic choice I had access to, including 1.6 GTi, Saab 9000 turbo, Alfa 33 and BMW 318ti.
I very nearly bought it when it was de-fleeted, but went for a mk2 Golf Driver instead. Wonder if my liking for German cars would be as strong if I had plucked for the 205?
In Sixth Form a few mates had mums with XSs, including one which I was in my first car crash in. A few bruised ribs after smacking a rock sideways.
I very nearly bought it when it was de-fleeted, but went for a mk2 Golf Driver instead. Wonder if my liking for German cars would be as strong if I had plucked for the 205?
In Sixth Form a few mates had mums with XSs, including one which I was in my first car crash in. A few bruised ribs after smacking a rock sideways.
MattsCar said:
I understand that.
However, GTI's/205's in general haven't doubled in price in the last year. In fact, they have been reasonably static over the past couple of years, from what I have seen.
It was sold by auction, on a well visited, popular site, so the "demand" side had the chance to decide the value a year ago.
However, like you said, someone may buy it and they can price it, however they wish.
There’s actually another XS being advertised around 4k so that is it’s true value. Of course, the dealer may have factored in buying another car for the owner of this one if it goes tits up!However, GTI's/205's in general haven't doubled in price in the last year. In fact, they have been reasonably static over the past couple of years, from what I have seen.
It was sold by auction, on a well visited, popular site, so the "demand" side had the chance to decide the value a year ago.
However, like you said, someone may buy it and they can price it, however they wish.
I read Cazoo only make around £120 profit, yes 120, on each car. They need to start advertising 205s (not even top of the range ones) for a £5k profit…
SidewaysSi said:
Plenty of reasons someone may buy this. Far more fun/communicative/engaging than pretty much any modern FWD car being one.
It's true, they are a very involving and communicative small car. With the fine weather this week, I've taken the opportunity to use mine quite a bit. Their simple nature can be a joy. Lovely steering and a fine ride too. The responsive engine and close ratio gearbox means you can have fun at relatively modest speeds and getting stuck behind others happens less often and is less frustrating.Nice excuse for a picture of mine
Edited to add, a couple of video links for anyone interested.
This chap elequently explains the simple joys of the XS. Also demonstrated with some nice onboard footage. It's not all about power and performance figures!
https://youtu.be/y_cxYLgflO4
https://youtu.be/-5kprwDEgz0
Edited by j555 on Saturday 25th June 22:58
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