RE: McMurtry Spéirling takes FOS Hillclimb record
Discussion
J4CKO said:
Hmm, not so sure to be honest as the Speirling has more power, its possibly a little heavier at a ton I heard, where a current F1 car is a minimum of 798 kilos, in reality probably bit heavier
The Speirling has less power, they've quoted 1000 bhp/tonne and it weighing less than 1000kg, so it makes less than 1000bhp. A 2022 F1 car makes 1000-1050bhp and is also lighter than Speirling.foxbody-87 said:
WCZ said:
That’s the one. That spec sheet says 1100hp though, but the stick on letters said 3000. It’s also worth £1.75 million though according to that.Olivera said:
A 2022 F1 car makes 1000-1050bhp and is also lighter than Speirling.
...but has an engine with a very narrow powerband and gearing suited to circuit racing. Whichever way it falls, there wouldn't be much between them.And a 2022 F1 car is an F1 car: let's not forget that the Speirling is a road legal trackday car, and a prototype at that: knocked out by a handful of (very clever and quite well-funded) men in a shed.
Obviously it's pitched much higher in the market, but if I were Caterham, having made a recent commitment to launch my own EV, I'd be paying very close attention indeed.
otolith said:
To be fair, this was once a site for TVR fanciers 
No doubt at all that the i3 is a better car, in the same sense that my E class is a better car than my Elise, but you wouldn't buy an i3 as a toy.
yup your right, i'd buy a Caterham, as i'd just about be able to manage to get most of the performance out of one of those and still enjoy myself ;-)No doubt at all that the i3 is a better car, in the same sense that my E class is a better car than my Elise, but you wouldn't buy an i3 as a toy.
Max_Torque said:
Incidentally for me, this is the car of the show:
Because rather than design the ultimate car and not quite manage to go as fast as it perhaps should, he has taken a completely unsuitable car and made it far far faster than should be expected:
https://youtu.be/mpxP2FEM3HY?t=2109
7 seconds slower than the electric missile, 500% more entertaining !!!
That's just a high power Impreza in an old frock. Great fun of course but nothing bleeding edge about it.Because rather than design the ultimate car and not quite manage to go as fast as it perhaps should, he has taken a completely unsuitable car and made it far far faster than should be expected:
https://youtu.be/mpxP2FEM3HY?t=2109
7 seconds slower than the electric missile, 500% more entertaining !!!
Max_Torque said:
the problem for me is that "Look what we can do" is pretty irrelevant to both road cars and race cars? This car is really a parts bin special. They have simply bought really nice parts (motor's, cells, inverters etc) and nailed them together, with no regularitory, cost or production limitations. You can't race one of these (they don't fit any race series regulations currently) it would be a truely horrible road car, and they haven't really developed any particularly tech or methodology that can be applied to other cars.
It is an amazing achievement for a small team and a fantastic "look at us" car, but it's largely pointless in the grand scheme of things (see Capara T1 for ref...)
Lots of things we do are utterly pointless. The space race was pointless, if you want to analyse what putting a man on the moon did, and was pretty much soon a nothing event as people got bored or it after a few landings and switched off the TV. It is an amazing achievement for a small team and a fantastic "look at us" car, but it's largely pointless in the grand scheme of things (see Capara T1 for ref...)
But it brought new technology we now take for granted to our lives, just as wars often do. It's the innovation process that drives us all forward longer term, that's what is exciting about daft projects like this. It's doubling exciting because its a bunch of Brits doing it and not some freak like Musk.
KarlMac said:
Surprised no one’s commented on the fact the McMurtry managed to break the record yet the official gen 3 Formula E car failed to make up the hill all weekend? I guess they were taking it serious putting Heidfeld in the seat.
Not a great advert for the sport.
Formula E is dead man walking. As F1 heads down the hybrid route and synthetic fuels more by every iteration, it's become more irrelevant. Manufacturers are leaving.Not a great advert for the sport.
Equus said:
Such is Gordon Murray's talent for self-promotion that you might be fooled into thinking that he came up with the fan car.
He did not. He came up with a way of justifying it to the scrutineers (by claiming, with some very dodgy maths, that its primary purpose was cooling).
As your linked article mentions almost as an afterthought, this was the first fan car, built 8 years before the BT46B:
There was nothing dodgy about his maths.He did not. He came up with a way of justifying it to the scrutineers (by claiming, with some very dodgy maths, that its primary purpose was cooling).
As your linked article mentions almost as an afterthought, this was the first fan car, built 8 years before the BT46B:
Edited by Equus on Monday 27th June 16:31
Formula 1 is just a set of rules you have to comply to, it's formula, the Brabham met the rules as they were written and Murray proved his maths was correct when the FIA inspected the car and measured the relative pressure throughout the cars airflow.
As mentioned, Jim Hall did it earlier, but that was pretty s
t, using a very unreliable and heavy snowmobile engine to drive the fans. What Murray did was infinitely more efficient and reliable.foxbody-87 said:
They banned ‘current’ F1 cars for safety reasons but looking at the time set this weekend I’m not sure if that was more political than anything. Also a few people have mentioned the Gould hill climb cars, I don’t know a lot about them though.
Faster than F1 cars to 150 and designed for hills. Max_Torque said:
Doesn't look at all "fun" to me tbh. It looks bloodyhard work and looks like it will kill you at a drop of a hat!
I'd happily take my i3 over the Spurting for any road drive!! :-)
I used to drive a cosworth turbo powered westfield to the 'ring, thrash it for 2 days, then drive home. 600 mile trip each way. It was hilarious. I would love something like this little car to get a similar experience without eating soot for hours, which is what you do in a 7 due to the poor aero.I'd happily take my i3 over the Spurting for any road drive!! :-)
Equus said:
In fairness, if you look at the amount of st that the McMurty was kicking up behind itself, you really wouldn't want to run behind one on any sort of circuit racing.
The footage was impressive and looked almost sped up - but I was also struck by how much stuff was coming out of the back. It had a sort of permanent cloud of hoovered up road behind it. Surely that would not be remotely tolerable on the road! t that the McMurty was kicking up behind itself, you really wouldn't want to run behind one on any sort of circuit racing.It must be quite a thing to drive. How does the downforce compare to the T50? Has that been caught on video with a "cloud"?
TDK-C60 said:
The footage was impressive and looked almost sped up - but I was also struck by how much stuff was coming out of the back. It had a sort of permanent cloud of hoovered up road behind it. Surely that would not be remotely tolerable on the road!
It must be quite a thing to drive. How does the downforce compare to the T50? Has that been caught on video with a "cloud"?
Stick a bag on the back. It must be quite a thing to drive. How does the downforce compare to the T50? Has that been caught on video with a "cloud"?
T50 doesn't generate downforce in the same way from the fans, in that car the fan is used to assist airflow to stay attached to the high angle diffuser, which is generating the downforce. It's not a sealed floor system, no s
t goes through it.jsf said:
Stick a bag on the back.
T50 doesn't generate downforce in the same way from the fans, in that car the fan is used to assist airflow to stay attached to the high angle diffuser, which is generating the downforce. It's not a sealed floor system, no st goes through it.
T.50 has a filter in it so stop anything that does get through.T50 doesn't generate downforce in the same way from the fans, in that car the fan is used to assist airflow to stay attached to the high angle diffuser, which is generating the downforce. It's not a sealed floor system, no s
t goes through it.Pebbles167 said:
ruairi50 said:
Its a SNOREFEST at this stage when 5 of the top 10 cars are Glorified Milk Floats. EVs should have their own
Hillclimb. PISS BORING
Boring reply. Heard that one before. Hillclimb. PISS BORING
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