RE: McMurtry Spéirling takes FOS Hillclimb record
Discussion
cerb4.5lee said:
If the i3 could fly to the moon and back in 10 minutes...I still wouldn't want one, and it is the same for me with this too. Speed isn't everything(and that is difficult for me to say to be fair), but I would genuinely rather walk than have an electric car of any kind in all honesty.
What upsets me the most though, is that we are on a site for petrolheads(or at least it is called PistonHeads), yet it seems to be almost totally dominated now with electric cars sadly.
this, no one is excited about the i3 and rightly so.What upsets me the most though, is that we are on a site for petrolheads(or at least it is called PistonHeads), yet it seems to be almost totally dominated now with electric cars sadly.
this is an exciting car
cerb4.5lee said:
I but I would genuinely rather walk than have an electric car of any kind in all honesty.
It's when i see things like this that i know the person posting them is talking utter sh*te!! sorry 
If i gave you the choice between walking 7 miles in the pouring rain to the local supermarket, and walking 7 miles back with your shopping, after just one trip you'd be begging me for a lift in my i3.
And you know it.
cerb4.5lee said:
If the i3 could fly to the moon and back in 10 minutes...I still wouldn't want one, and it is the same for me with this too. Speed isn't everything(and that is difficult for me to say to be fair), but I would genuinely rather walk than have an electric car of any kind in all honesty.
What upsets me the most though, is that we are on a site for petrolheads(or at least it is called PistonHeads), yet it seems to be almost totally dominated now with electric cars sadly.
I mean... it's going to get worse.. unless you only want to have used carsWhat upsets me the most though, is that we are on a site for petrolheads(or at least it is called PistonHeads), yet it seems to be almost totally dominated now with electric cars sadly.
620S said:
Utterly utterly amazing and fantastic - i fear for the event though with the ever increasing brilliance of technological developments that we have something even faster and it were to go wrong - those bales are starting to look inadequate..
I was thinking the very same!The Speirling run looked almost fake, it was just so fast. The issue I have it that to me it just looks like an electric go-kart, coupled with the fan it doesn't seem fair to compare it to anything else. I hope they go on to make a full size car with the same technology.
Max_Torque said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I but I would genuinely rather walk than have an electric car of any kind in all honesty.
It's when i see things like this that i know the person posting them is talking utter sh*te!! sorry If i gave you the choice between walking 7 miles in the pouring rain to the local supermarket, and walking 7 miles back with your shopping, after just one trip you'd be begging me for a lift in my i3.
And you know it.
I just genuinely feel sad about the way things are going, and that's not helped because I'm such a bloody dinosaur as you know.
cerb4.5lee said:
Granted it was far too over the top, but I was feeling especially grumpy towards EVs...and I only seem to be getting worse though!
I just genuinely feel sad about the way things are going, and that's not helped because I'm such a bloody dinosaur as you know.
good news - the mass market, affordable BEV is going to SAVE the enthusiast car, not kill it!I just genuinely feel sad about the way things are going, and that's not helped because I'm such a bloody dinosaur as you know.
When everyone has an BEV, and they become normal and everyday (tbh, they nearly already have around my way) then us ethusiasts can go back to having a fun, polluting, noisy, in-efficient toy in the garage without being bothered by the government. In the same way as you can comute to work on a steam traction engine today, you will be able to drive your old ICE car for years, and a whole industry will pop up to help your fuel and maintain that car!
I'm a massive advocate for EVs (as everyone knows :-) and i've owned one for 7 years now, and would never go back to an ICE for everyday driving, but i also have a 630 bhp, 840kg rwd sequential gearboxed 2 litre turbo nutter car in the garage. It's hideously, anti-socially noisy and incredibly polluting, costs me a fortune to run, but everyone loves it because it's not out annoying and polluting every day!
lets get the masses into electromobility ASAP and then we can go back to having fun with our toys
Max_Torque said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Granted it was far too over the top, but I was feeling especially grumpy towards EVs...and I only seem to be getting worse though!
I just genuinely feel sad about the way things are going, and that's not helped because I'm such a bloody dinosaur as you know.
good news - the mass market, affordable BEV is going to SAVE the enthusiast car, not kill it!I just genuinely feel sad about the way things are going, and that's not helped because I'm such a bloody dinosaur as you know.
When everyone has an BEV, and they become normal and everyday (tbh, they nearly already have around my way) then us ethusiasts can go back to having a fun, polluting, noisy, in-efficient toy in the garage without being bothered by the government. In the same way as you can comute to work on a steam traction engine today, you will be able to drive your old ICE car for years, and a whole industry will pop up to help your fuel and maintain that car!
I'm a massive advocate for EVs (as everyone knows :-) and i've owned one for 7 years now, and would never go back to an ICE for everyday driving, but i also have a 630 bhp, 840kg rwd sequential gearboxed 2 litre turbo nutter car in the garage. It's hideously, anti-socially noisy and incredibly polluting, costs me a fortune to run, but everyone loves it because it's not out annoying and polluting every day!
lets get the masses into electromobility ASAP and then we can go back to having fun with our toys
Sway said:
An i3 is about the only example of a production EV which gave a s
t about weight and usable 'fun' performance.
Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
What about this if it makes it past pre-production? (COI I've placed a deposit on one)t about weight and usable 'fun' performance.Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
https://aptera.us
looks very interesting IMHO
Tobermory said:
Sway said:
An i3 is about the only example of a production EV which gave a st about weight and usable 'fun' performance.
Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
What about this if it makes it past pre-production? (COI I've placed a deposit on one)t about weight and usable 'fun' performance.Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
https://aptera.us
looks very interesting IMHO
Take my i3 (sorry, i'm talking about that car again, i know, i know) but it manages around 200mpg equivalent in daily driving, seats 4 with good comfort and some luggage space, is plenty quick enough, is easy to park and drive, and requires really no change to your user experience from any existing car. What precisely does something like an Aptera bring to that party for all it's signifcant negative points?
Max_Torque said:
Tobermory said:
Sway said:
An i3 is about the only example of a production EV which gave a st about weight and usable 'fun' performance.
Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
What about this if it makes it past pre-production? (COI I've placed a deposit on one)t about weight and usable 'fun' performance.Yet it's still a 4 seat hatch.
Why couldn't something that's not a tall, 4 seat practical hatch be made?
Yes, this one only has one seat, etc. - but there's a middle ground that's being completely ignored.
https://aptera.us
looks very interesting IMHO
Take my i3 (sorry, i'm talking about that car again, i know, i know) but it manages around 200mpg equivalent in daily driving, seats 4 with good comfort and some luggage space, is plenty quick enough, is easy to park and drive, and requires really no change to your user experience from any existing car. What precisely does something like an Aptera bring to that party for all it's signifcant negative points?
Most of the things you've listed as being positives for the i3 are negatives for me.
But then, I've been quite happy running a 800kg kit car as a 100 mile a day commuter (GTM Libra), and then swapped that for a 20 year old MX5 I spent nearly double the value of on custom high end suspension (and zero extra power) for the same use.
I actually spent some time looking over an i3 this morning. Yes, I'm sure it's a fine drive, but all those objective positives become subjectively very negative. I simply don't want something my 60 year old mum would be happy driving.
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