RE: VW previews flagship EV saloon with new ID.Aero

[blearyeyedboy]

I'd be more interested in the interior.
If packaged correctly, this has the potential for Skoda Superb levels of legroom. A good car for chauffeurs?

[ajap1979]

howardhughes said:

Piston Heads. I'd like to make an observation. It seems somewhat hypocritical to advertise/feature EV cars on your website when we all know EV cars do not have any 'Pistons' So It might be wise to create another website and call it, say, EVHeads.

This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.

Just a thought.

Give it a rest Howard. Brigade? You’re out of touch.

[kambites]

Article said:

VW is finally getting round to building an electric car that isn't a supermini or SUV. Here's what it will look like...

Surely the ID3 is neither a supermini nor an SUV? In fact I don't think VW have ever produced an electric supermini - a city-car and two C-segment hatchbacks, but I don't think there's ever been an electric Polo?

[J4CKO]

They have put those Christian Fish symbols in the headlights !

[flatsix.ant]

Why does no brand make an electric car that looks like an actual saloon, and not a hatchback?

Am I missing something?

[LasseV]

Damn Mirai is a good car compared to this. Longer range, fast refill and small 1,5kwh battery. Hydrogen is the way to go for long range sedan.

However, this is quite good looking sedan. Doesn't sell well tho, because sedan is a dying breed. Sadly.

[FlukePlay]

flatsix.ant said:

Why does no brand make an electric car that looks like an actual saloon, and not a hatchback?

Am I missing something?

I like an estate personally and the 5series, V60/90, E Class are all decent looking cars...can't they just makes those designs full electric?

[SDK]

Deerfoot said:

I had no idea that was on the cards to be honest..

Yep
About 6 weeks ago Tesla started opening the UK Tesla Supercharging network to non-Tesla cars.

Here’s me charging up my Polestar 2 at the Tesla dealer in Birmingham

[SDK]

Vee12V said:

Looks incredibly bland to my eyes.

The Passat it’s replacing isn’t exactly a Lambo Aventator looker either

Demonix said:

This has all the visual appeal of a Fridge or Washing machine, EV's just seem to have really boring homogeneous forgettable designs and VW's saloon concept is the height of blandness even compared to a Tesla.

VW making a bland car - who knew

Edited by SDK on Monday 27th June 20:54

[Porkupine]

blearyeyedboy said:

I'd be more interested in the interior.
If packaged correctly, this has the potential for Skoda Superb levels of legroom. A good car for chauffeurs?

Agree, need to see the interior.

It looks good on exterior in my eyes. Possibly a nice everyday EV. What would the range be on this I wonder?

[D4rez]

howardhughes said:

Piston Heads. I'd like to make an observation. It seems somewhat hypocritical to advertise/feature EV cars on your website when we all know EV cars do not have any 'Pistons' So It might be wise to create another website and call it, say, EVHeads.

This way all those with appliances can happily talk about charging times and leave the rest of the brigade to talk about 'Real' cars on here.

Just a thought.

Bore off. In 8 years they’ll just have to consolidate them or rename pistonheads to something to indicate it’s for classics only.

[plfrench]

Porkupine said:

Agree, need to see the interior.

It looks good on exterior in my eyes. Possibly a nice everyday EV. What would the range be on this I wonder?

It says 385 miles in the article above, so you'd expect a solid 250miles in day to day use without trying too hard, 200miles in winter should be on the cards.

[Itsallicanafford]

SDK said:

Deerfoot said:

I had no idea that was on the cards to be honest..

Yep
About 6 weeks ago Tesla started opening the UK Tesla Supercharging network to non-Tesla cars.

Here’s me charging up my Polestar 2 at the Tesla dealer in Birmingham

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

[McAndy]

plfrench said:

It says 385 miles in the article above, so you'd expect a solid 250miles in day to day use without trying too hard, 200miles in winter should be on the cards.

Make that 350 and 300. 280 mile cars now get the real world ranges you’ve quoted.

[annodomini2]

oilit said:

Silvanus said:

I'm assuming with the ever increasing ID range, the conventional line-up of cars like the Passat and Golf will be phased out over time? Would there be any point in an EV Golf and an ID hatchback? I've also heard rumours there will be a retro ID with nods to the beetle

I have wondered why VW ‘seem’ to be abandoning literally millions of euros worth of sub branding investment over decades with the golf etc to go and make the new sub brand ‘ID’

Would love s9me marketing guru to explain the logic - the golf and polo especially have always had a big following - why not take those people towards the golf e or polo e (i realise that was a different model way back, and the egolf they launched was not very good)

1. Risk
2. They haven't stopped selling the others.

The bigger gamble is with Audi and the A6 etron

[Deerfoot]

Itsallicanafford said:

SDK said:

Deerfoot said:

I had no idea that was on the cards to be honest..

Yep
About 6 weeks ago Tesla started opening the UK Tesla Supercharging network to non-Tesla cars.

Here’s me charging up my Polestar 2 at the Tesla dealer in Birmingham

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

Interesting stuff, the Tesla network must have cost a fortune to establish, wasn’t use of superchargers free on some Teslas?

How much does it cost for non Teslas?

[manracer]

Motormatt said:

manracer said:

Evil.soup said:

I genuinely believe that with mainstream brands finally creating every day saloon cars, the domination of Tesla is in trouble.

Im not an EV fan, but it's good to see more and more "normal" brands making these cars now.

Have you used the touch screen in any VAG vehicle of late?

Likewise have you used the touch screens in a Tesla?

I have owned both and VAG still have a very long way to go IMO.

Im not saying Tesla are uncatchable and I admit the Tesla fit and finish leaves a lot on the table, but from the VAG side of things, they aren't amazing either.

Then we have the charging network, then the service requirements that VAG still push to name a few.

Have VAG sorted proper one pedal driving yet?

+1 Ive just swapped an Id3 after 12 months for a Tesla M3 LR and whilst recognizing the Tesla is a more expensive car so not a fair comparison in many ways, neither are perfect.

The plastics and fabrics in the VW interior were comically bad for a near £40k car and the less said about the user interface, haptic buttons etc the better. This is from a company that has been building cars for 75 years vs 14.

That said, I'm surprised that some of the Tesla's supposedly game changing stuff is not as good as I'd expected. For example you hear so much about Tesla 'self driving' technology and yet a fairly basic function such as active cruise control in the VW was far superior, not to mention the VW had apple carplay which makes the basic Bluetooth connectivity in the Tesla feel old hat.

Competition can only be a good thing though.

Agree for the most part. But I would say that that self drive in the nearly killed me twice. Autopilot not perfect but I would say it's better overall than the bag equivalent.

Agree no car play isn't great in Tesla and although Google maps is good and the integration with Spotify also good, it used to regularly not get signal, freeze etc

[Arsecati]

Hmmmm, would love to see an estate version of this.

[ajap1979]

Itsallicanafford said:

The superchargers are a great network. Can I ask, presumably the polestar does not recognise it was about to be supercharged and thus would not perform a battery pre-heat on the way to the charger as it would with a Tesla. Did you ask If there are any issues with using the Superchargers without a preheat?

If you enter a DC charger as the destination the car will automatically precondition the battery so that it’s at the optimal temperature for charging, exactly the same as a Tesla would do. If you don’t you’ll suffer slightly poorer charge times.

[Arsecati]

manracer said:

Have you used the touch screen in any VAG vehicle of late?

Likewise have you used the touch screens in a Tesla?

I have owned both and VAG still have a very long way to go IMO.

Im not saying Tesla are uncatchable and I admit the Tesla fit and finish leaves a lot on the table, but from the VAG side of things, they aren't amazing either.

Then we have the charging network, then the service requirements that VAG still push to name a few.

Have VAG sorted proper one pedal driving yet?

There are other manufacturers making EV's apart from VAG. Besides, one of your suggestions above is a Tesla...... and that's more than enough reason for many not to buy one.