cyclists at night

[bigothunter]

Foss62 said:

I think some people invent stuff to get enraged about.

FFS

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

Went into town tonight which is 4 miles away.

Hardly the country dweller then, are you? I must admit though, we do have street lights near the old farm house, but that's only because the M62 runs right through the old farmland, after the land was compulsary purchased...

bigothunter said:

FFS

It would seem that I'm not the only one that doesn't believe your tale.

Edited by gazza285 on Sunday 7th August 00:28

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

Hardly the country dweller then, are you? I must admit though, we do have street lights near the old farm house, but that's only because the M62 runs right through the old farmland, after the land was compulsary purchased...

I live in a quiet lane with arched trees and fields each side of the house. Feels like countryside to me. Don't have to be remote to qualify...

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

It would seem that I'm not the only one that doesn't believe your tale.

Edited by gazza285 on Sunday 7th August 00:28

I have encountered cyclists without lights on local rural roads during the hours of darkness. It's dangerous. What don't you understand about that?

Regardless believe what you like. Personally I don't give a fk

More night time cyclist survey results to follow

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

I have encountered cyclists without lights on local rural roads during the hours of darkness. It's dangerous. What don't you understand about that?

How many have been hit?

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

I have encountered cyclists without lights on local rural roads during the hours of darkness. It's dangerous. What don't you understand about that?

How many have been hit?

Surely how many pose serious risk of being hit is a more sensible question ?

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

Surely how many pose serious risk of being hit is a more sensible question ?

Show me some statistics that it is a serious problem. Earlier I found four deaths in the last twenty years on Google, yet you seem to be on the cusp of killing loads. Perhaps you need to slow down while driving round your unlit suburbs.

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Surely how many pose serious risk of being hit is a more sensible question ?

Show me some statistics that it is a serious problem. Earlier I found four deaths in the last twenty years on Google, yet you seem to be on the cusp of killing loads. Perhaps you need to slow down while driving round your unlit suburbs.

A colleague from work and his pillion were killed at night, after the rear light on their small motorbike failed. He was 26. That's a serious problem.

Of course if they had been pedalling instead, all would have been fine (nb that's sarcasm).

Riding at night without adequate illumination is taking unnecessary risk. It's dangerous. Also it's illegal. Surely you don't need statistics to understand that?

Unlit suburbs? Well if you call my home on the single track lane with fields each side 'unlit suburbs', I feel sorry for you

Edited by bigothunter on Sunday 7th August 09:32

[Exoticlover]

I am still puzzled why there is not a single PHer to stand up and own his decision to ride without lights. Come on, one?

[smn159]

Exoticlover said:

I am still puzzled why there is not a single PHer to stand up and own his decision to ride without lights. Come on, one?

You seem a bit obsessed with this. No-one is saying that it's a good idea, just that it's not the huge problem that hysterical DM headlines and certain posters on here seem to think.

Any newspaper that was minded to could run 'killer motorist' headlines every day of the week AND have stats to back it up. Certain papers focus on cyclists because that's what their readers want

[Richard-D]

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Surely how many pose serious risk of being hit is a more sensible question ?

Show me some statistics that it is a serious problem. Earlier I found four deaths in the last twenty years on Google, yet you seem to be on the cusp of killing loads. Perhaps you need to slow down while driving round your unlit suburbs.

A colleague from work and his pillion were killed at night, after the rear light on their small motorbike failed. He was 26. That's a serious problem.

Of course if they had been pedalling instead, all would have been fine (nb that's sarcasm).

Riding at night without adequate at illumination is taking unnecessary risk. It's dangerous. Also it's illegal. Surely you don't need statistics to understand that?

Unlit suburbs? Well if you call my home on the single track lane with fields each side 'unlit suburbs' I feel sorry for you

So you're example of 'dangerous unlit cyclists' is a motorist with a bulb out.

Could the problem be that, like the vast majority of anticyclists on these threads, you have taken to whinging about cyclists as some kind of weird hobby. It's like whinging about traffic wardens, people do it because they hear others doing it and can't think for themselves so just parrot the same crap.

And no, at night there aren't unlit cyclists on unlit roads in any statistically significant number. That journey would last about 2 minutes.

[ScotHill]

Exoticlover said:

I am still puzzled why there is not a single PHer to stand up and own his decision to ride without lights. Come on, one?

I don't think there are any? No-one's saying it's fine to ride without lights. Those that do will tend to be young/stupid/cash strapped/non-drivers/delete as appropriate.

[Exoticlover]

Noone is cycling without lights, fly-tipping illegally, hogging the middle lane, not using indicators, not wanting a Rolex, not playing with the "cheeky" idea of wanting a fake Rolex, etc.

All saints.

Come on.

[smn159]

Exoticlover said:

Noone is cycling without lights, fly-tipping illegally, hogging the middle lane, not using indicators, not wanting a Rolex, not playing with the "cheeky" idea of wanting a fake Rolex, etc.

All saints.

Come on.

Which of those do you do then?

Come on

[monthou]

Exoticlover said:

I am still puzzled why there is not a single PHer to stand up and own his decision to ride without lights. Come on, one?

The people I see cycling without lights are kids / teenagers. On the pavement.
Adults cycling without lights on the road are pretty rare. And not at all sensible.

And 40% of cyclists riding without lights on unlit rural roads? Made up rubbish. No idea why someone would come up with that.

[bigothunter]

Richard-D said:

So you're example of 'dangerous unlit cyclists' is a motorist with a bulb out.

No, my example is a bike rider with a failed rear lamp. He was hit and killed by a motorist on a dark night. The bike was slow but had an engine not pedals. But speed differential for a pedal cyclist is even greater so they are at more risk of collision.

Richard-D said:

Could the problem be that, like the vast majority of anticyclists on these threads, you have taken to whinging about cyclists as some kind of weird hobby. It's like whinging about traffic wardens, people do it because they hear others doing it and can't think for themselves so just parrot the same crap.

I am not anti-cyclist. Actually quite the opposite. I've completed the London to Brighton Bike Event on three occasions and frequently ride 40 mile trips. I give fellow cyclists a great deal of respect when I'm driving. Would be helpful if they reciprocated with a similar attitude of responsibility, not foolhardiness.

Oh dear you've resorted to insults: "whinging" and "crap" don't do you any favours

Richard-D said:

And no, at night there aren't unlit cyclists on unlit roads in any statistically significant number. That journey would last about 2 minutes.

Plenty of examples out there

Go on, tell me you spotted a singular illuminated streetlamp in the second video so this example isn't valid

[Exoticlover]

smn159 said:

Exoticlover said:

Noone is cycling without lights, fly-tipping illegally, hogging the middle lane, not using indicators, not wanting a Rolex, not playing with the "cheeky" idea of wanting a fake Rolex, etc.

All saints.

Come on.

Which of those do you do then?

Come on

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

[bigothunter]

Exoticlover said:

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

You, when driving, stop at red lights. What makes you behave differently?

[ScotHill]

Two examples from 5 and 7 years ago, one of which has blue sky in the frame!

[Exoticlover]

bigothunter said:

Exoticlover said:

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

You, when driving, stop at red lights. What makes you behave differently?

When on a bike, I cannot do much damage to others, and I am also operating outside the law because bike is saving the planet.