cyclists at night

[bigothunter]

ScotHill said:

Two examples from 5 and 7 years ago, one of which has blue sky in the frame!

Yes the problem is not new. Night time is dark not necessarily pitch black. Both unilluminated cyclists put themselves at high risk. No surprises there...

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

Exoticlover said:

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

You, when driving, stop at red lights. What makes you behave differently?

I imagine the same thing that 'makes' drivers / motorcyclists break the speed limits regularly.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Unless he is a big fking hypocrite of course, in which case cast away.

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

bigothunter said:

Exoticlover said:

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

You, when driving, stop at red lights. What makes you behave differently?

I imagine the same thing that 'makes' drivers / motorcyclists break the speed limits regularly.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Unless he is a big fking hypocrite of course, in which case cast away.

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

[monthou]

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

Correct for once. Speed limits don't apply to cyclists. Or horses, or pedestrians. Speed limits are set for motor vehicles.

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

Happy to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

[bigothunter]

monthou said:

Correct for once. Speed limits don't apply to cyclists. Or horses, or pedestrians. Speed limits are set for motor vehicles.

You are a star Monty

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

Happy to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

[smn159]

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

Happy to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

First result on Google

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/cyclists-can-no...

Happy to help

Hope your research into unlit cyclists was a little more thorough

[saaby93]

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

Nor did it say what type of accidents increased or decreased
As Mothou said speed limits dont aply to pedestrians horses and bikes ( and a few others)
a because they generally dont travel as fast as a speed limit (until those in the above link were introduced)
b. they'd all need speedometers fitted ( a suitable phone could be used)

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

Happy to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

Clearly my original post was too subtle for you. Clue is "cyclists are above that law"

[bigothunter]

Exoticlover said:

bigothunter said:

Exoticlover said:

I, when cycling, jump red lights.

You, when driving, stop at red lights. What makes you behave differently?

When on a bike, I cannot do much damage to others, and I am also operating outside the law because bike is saving the planet.

Doesn't that make you a cycling bandit with justified moral authority?

[bigothunter]

saaby93 said:

Nor did it say what type of accidents increased or decreased
As Mothou said speed limits dont aply to pedestrians horses and bikes ( and a few others)
a because they generally dont travel as fast as a speed limit (until those in the above link were introduced)
b. they'd all need speedometers fitted ( a suitable phone could be used)

20 is plenty except when it isn't

[gazza285]

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

Cyclists blatantly break speed limits too, especially in London's 20 zones. But of course, cyclists are above that law

What speed limits are those? Other than Richmond Park, I don’t know of any.

Happy to help

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

Clearly my original post was too subtle for you. Clue is "cyclists are above that law"

How can they blatantly break the speed limit then? You contradict yourself.

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

How can they blatantly break the speed limit then? You contradict yourself.

Really isn't that difficult to understand...

[NotDMike]

saaby93 said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

Nor did it say what type of accidents increased or decreased
As Mothou said speed limits dont aply to pedestrians horses and bikes ( and a few others)
a because they generally dont travel as fast as a speed limit (until those in the above link were introduced)
b. they'd all need speedometers fitted ( a suitable phone could be used)

also because they all weigh much much less than basically any motor vehicle and so even at the same speed have much less energy and so much less potential to cause damage to stuff they tt into.

[saaby93]

NotDMike said:

saaby93 said:

gazza285 said:

bigothunter said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51674...

Non of those apply to cyclists.

Nor did it say what type of accidents increased or decreased
As Mothou said speed limits dont aply to pedestrians horses and bikes ( and a few others)
a because they generally dont travel as fast as a speed limit (until those in the above link were introduced)
b. they'd all need speedometers fitted ( a suitable phone could be used)

also because they all weigh much much less than basically any motor vehicle and so even at the same speed have much less energy and so much less potential to cause damage to stuff they tt into.

yeah but for balance remember that every mile travelled by bike is more likely to kill (or injure) a pedestrian than per mile travelled by car. As the miles travelled are lower it's not highlighted by most stats but there is a move to segregation.

What was this thread about again

Edited by saaby93 on Sunday 7th August 13:16

[Electro1980]

saaby93 said:

yeah but for balance remember that every mile travelled by bike is more likely to kill (or injure) a pedestrian than per mile travelled by car. As the miles travelled are lower it's not highlighted by most stats but there is a move to segregation.

What was this thread about again

Edited by saaby93 on Sunday 7th August 13:16

And there’s not a lot of cyclists or pedestrians on the roads with most cars. Motorways and major A roads.

[gazza285]

saaby93 said:

yeah but for balance remember that every mile travelled by bike is more likely to kill (or injure) a pedestrian than per mile travelled by car.

A meaningless comparison.

How likely is it if you only consider urban miles travelled, which is where most pedestrians are killed?

There's 68,000 cars a day using the Pennine section of the M62, it's 15 miles between J20 and J24, so that's over a million miles a day just on that stretch. There are zero pedestrians to hit.

[saaby93]

Electro1980 said:

saaby93 said:

yeah but for balance remember that every mile travelled by bike is more likely to kill (or injure) a pedestrian than per mile travelled by car. As the miles travelled are lower it's not highlighted by most stats but there is a move to segregation.

What was this thread about again

And there’s not a lot of cyclists or pedestrians on the roads with most cars. Motorways and major A roads.

gazza285 said:

saaby93 said:

yeah but for balance remember that every mile travelled by bike is more likely to kill (or injure) a pedestrian than per mile travelled by car.

A meaningless comparison.

How likely is it if you only consider urban miles travelled, which is where most pedestrians are killed?

There's 68,000 cars a day using the Pennine section of the M62, it's 15 miles between J20 and J24, so that's over a million miles a day just on that stretch. There are zero pedestrians to hit.

Both good points
It just means that overall if you go out for a mile on your bike youre more likely to injure kill a pedestrian than if you go out for a mile by car.
On the other hand you're likely to travel more miles per car which puts the figures the other way around.

Since Covid bike travel has increased vs car travel and there may be more pedestrians around