RE: Audi A1 quattro vs. Toyota GR Yaris
Discussion
Nubiann said:
When the Toyota is crushed into a small square of recyclable gumph, it will be the A1 that will stand the test of posterity, and is preserved as an automotive Icon for what it stands for and how good it was a full decade before Toyota caught up. For that reason it gets my vote and my cash if I could buy either.
Delusional ramblingsYaris is a fantastic car, a stand-out.
I’ll be keeping mine for a long time, cos it’s hard to see what’s going to come along to do the same job. I wouldn’t even want a more extreme version.
Has DNA of Integrales through Imprezas and Evos, and on the right road at the right time there’s not a lot better.
Even the lack of power helps the flow, compared to the point. go. stop. of very fast stuff.
I’ll be keeping mine for a long time, cos it’s hard to see what’s going to come along to do the same job. I wouldn’t even want a more extreme version.
Has DNA of Integrales through Imprezas and Evos, and on the right road at the right time there’s not a lot better.
Even the lack of power helps the flow, compared to the point. go. stop. of very fast stuff.
Dr G said:
If you thought they were expensive at 40:
This is from a document Audi sent to those who placed a deposit for a new one.
I placed a deposit, waited a long time, was told the price, and cancelled it. I doubt I'm the only one, and that's likely why the UK never got its full allocation.
So to get you to part with £48k ten years ago, Audi compared their faux rally replica to a fiat 500 painted Ferrari red……This is from a document Audi sent to those who placed a deposit for a new one.
I placed a deposit, waited a long time, was told the price, and cancelled it. I doubt I'm the only one, and that's likely why the UK never got its full allocation.
There is apparently a simple mod that you can do to the rear view mirror in the Yaris to raise it slightly and increase the gap between it and the infotainment screen. Harry Metcalfe mentioned it in his YouTube review of the car, having done it to his own example. Apparently just involves shaving something slightly.
I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
I briefly had an S1 a few years back.
The interior was very basic and very plastic.
It felt really cheap not like an Audi at all.
80% of the time it was pretty dull to drive.
But…. When the opportunity arose to really thrash it, it became really quite fun. You had to be rough with it mind.
It was a great winter hack too.
The interior was very basic and very plastic.
It felt really cheap not like an Audi at all.
80% of the time it was pretty dull to drive.
But…. When the opportunity arose to really thrash it, it became really quite fun. You had to be rough with it mind.
It was a great winter hack too.
Limpet said:
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I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
My reading of Nubiann's post was that the A1 Quattro will be regarded as some kind of genius foresight by Audi putting 4wd and a turbo in a smallish hatch back, seemingly forgetting that such things had been done since the 80's, Mazda 323, integrale etc and that the GRY is barely worth cherishing. Also seemingly overlooking that even in this comparison it bests the A1 in every metric Important to a driver.I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
xu5 said:
Limpet said:
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I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
My reading of Nubiann's post was that the A1 Quattro will be regarded as some kind of genius foresight by Audi putting 4wd and a turbo in a smallish hatch back, seemingly forgetting that such things had been done since the 80's, Mazda 323, integrale etc and that the GRY is barely worth cherishing. Also seemingly overlooking that even in this comparison it bests the A1 in every metric Important to a driver.I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
I quite like an Audi, but not like he does.Limpet said:
I had to chuckle at the comment earlier suggesting a half modern VAG product would be likely to outlast a Toyota. I don’t think that been true since the 1990s when the Japanese got their heads around rustproofing, and VAGs quality and reliability began to decline. I would trust the fundamental long term mechanical reliability and engineering integrity of a modern Japanese car over an equivalent modern German one every time.
As far fetched as that comment was, Toyota (& nearly all other Japanese OEMs) don't galvanise their bodyshells and panels like Audi does. Even A1s are fully galvanised (aside from subframes & suspension) whereas you only have to look at the rust issues seen on the GT86 to see Toyota aren't at the same level in terms of corrosion resistance. The Yaris GR also isn't galvanised so I don't see them fairing as well as the S1/Quattro when disregarding the difference in relative ages. Toyota's mechanicals are generally superior, though the ability to use VCDS to help diagnose issues with Audi's does somewhat help counter that for those willing to work on their own cars.xu5 said:
My reading of Nubiann's post was that the A1 Quattro will be regarded as some kind of genius foresight by Audi putting 4wd and a turbo in a smallish hatch back, seemingly forgetting that such things had been done since the 80's, Mazda 323, integrale etc and that the GRY is barely worth cherishing. Also seemingly overlooking that even in this comparison it bests the A1 in every metric Important to a driver.
Well, apart from steering feel which to me is very important. Admittedly it's probably in the region of 2/10 for the GR & 5/10 for the Quattro however.I think the best looking of those 2 is the GR Yaris, sadly the seats are almost SUV high, they could at least make them 5 cm or more lower and then also the roof line those few centimeters lower.
I guess these are a lot lower, a bit difficult to see in this picture, looks sporty
nice kit, wheels properly in the wheel arches
then such non invasive 400+ hp kit without opening the engine or valve springs, just downpipe, exhaust, filter and programming I believe, maybe I forgot one thing, but 400+ hp is enough to keep it 'safe' yes they can get 475 or more with bigger changes = more stress, so 400+ is nice I think, not super fast but fast enough for most occasions.
I guess these are a lot lower, a bit difficult to see in this picture, looks sporty
nice kit, wheels properly in the wheel arches
then such non invasive 400+ hp kit without opening the engine or valve springs, just downpipe, exhaust, filter and programming I believe, maybe I forgot one thing, but 400+ hp is enough to keep it 'safe' yes they can get 475 or more with bigger changes = more stress, so 400+ is nice I think, not super fast but fast enough for most occasions.
The high seats are that way by design.
I guess it might be a problem if very tall, but the visibility on country roads is much better the way the car is intended.
How well you can see round corners, over hedges etc is one of the reasons you can push on, compared to being low down in a sportscar. Was one of the things that really struck me first time I had a proper blast in it,
I guess it might be a problem if very tall, but the visibility on country roads is much better the way the car is intended.
How well you can see round corners, over hedges etc is one of the reasons you can push on, compared to being low down in a sportscar. Was one of the things that really struck me first time I had a proper blast in it,
footsoldier said:
The high seats are that way by design.
I guess it might be a problem if very tall, but the visibility on country roads is much better the way the car is intended.
How well you can see round corners, over hedges etc is one of the reasons you can push on, compared to being low down in a sportscar. Was one of the things that really struck me first time I had a proper blast in it,
I guess that it just depends on what you like/personal taste. I enjoy being sat up high in an SUV, but I much prefer being sat lower in a sports/performance car though. I guess it might be a problem if very tall, but the visibility on country roads is much better the way the car is intended.
How well you can see round corners, over hedges etc is one of the reasons you can push on, compared to being low down in a sportscar. Was one of the things that really struck me first time I had a proper blast in it,
hughcam said:
Nubiann said:
When the Toyota is crushed into a small square of recyclable gumph, it will be the A1 that will stand the test of posterity, and is preserved as an automotive Icon for what it stands for and how good it was a full decade before Toyota caught up. For that reason it gets my vote and my cash if I could buy either.
Delusional ramblingsLeon R said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I guess that it just depends on what you like/personal taste. I enjoy being sat up high in an SUV, but I much prefer being sat lower in a sports/performance car though.
Why would you want less visibility.BAMoFo said:
hughcam said:
Nubiann said:
When the Toyota is crushed into a small square of recyclable gumph, it will be the A1 that will stand the test of posterity, and is preserved as an automotive Icon for what it stands for and how good it was a full decade before Toyota caught up. For that reason it gets my vote and my cash if I could buy either.
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