RE: Rodin Cars announces wild FZERO for 2023
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hairykrishna said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
Cheerful lot, aren't you?
Looks absolutely bonkers and, if it is anything like the spec they're claiming, it will be as fast as it is mad to look at.
Looks absolutely bonkers and, if it is anything like the spec they're claiming, it will be as fast as it is mad to look at.
They've been claiming it's imminent since 2019. They promised a driving prototype by the end of 2020. They can claim whatever spec they like because it doesn't exist and, I suspect, never will.
I hope it happens, just to shut up the moaners on here 
Guy clearly has plenty of money and is living out his passion, so good luck to him. Better than sitting on an internet forum criticising him!
Guy clearly has plenty of money and is living out his passion, so good luck to him. Better than sitting on an internet forum criticising him!GT9 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but this car is claimed to have more power, less weight and substantially more downforce than a current F1 car.
Huge downforce that probably depends on a very finely balanced suspension set-up matched to the track. The sort of downforce that could disappear very quickly under certain dynamic conditions.
So can someone explain who exactly is going to be able to afford to buy one of these, and, using all of the performance, have the requisite physical fitness and driving ability to not die in a fiery crash as soon as they make the slightest mistake.
The other thing is that a massively fast track car isn't necessarily enjoyable to drive. I'm not convinced that bolting on turbochargers and electric assist to chase silly power outputs is the right approach to making the ultimate track car. It's all very well making claims it will outperform the T50 Lauda or Valkyrie but if the quality of the renders is any refection on the quality of the engineering and, in particular, aerodynamic know-how, I'm not feeling confident at this juncture.
Hope to be proven wrong though.
I don't think it matters in a way, as a lot of them will likely be bought by collectors who just want to own one, rather than having aspirations for using it to its full potential. I imagine Rodin would offer some help to those who do actually want to use them properly.Huge downforce that probably depends on a very finely balanced suspension set-up matched to the track. The sort of downforce that could disappear very quickly under certain dynamic conditions.
So can someone explain who exactly is going to be able to afford to buy one of these, and, using all of the performance, have the requisite physical fitness and driving ability to not die in a fiery crash as soon as they make the slightest mistake.
The other thing is that a massively fast track car isn't necessarily enjoyable to drive. I'm not convinced that bolting on turbochargers and electric assist to chase silly power outputs is the right approach to making the ultimate track car. It's all very well making claims it will outperform the T50 Lauda or Valkyrie but if the quality of the renders is any refection on the quality of the engineering and, in particular, aerodynamic know-how, I'm not feeling confident at this juncture.
Hope to be proven wrong though.
LucyP said:
He should probably concentrate on his data company. The shares are currently trading 32% below the year's highest price, so if you bought at the top, currently, you have just lost 32% of your money.
A reasonable result over the past year or so relative to other listed tech companies.Ledzep said:
I have done dozens of laps on Rodin’s own tracks (note the plural) in Ferraris and Alfas. Also I have been through the workshop twice. Since then a whole new engine plant has been added. It’s a very serious operation. Dicker Data is only a part of David’s successful business. His support of up-and-coming race drivers is also to be respected. Liam Lawson is faster around their top track in the Fzed than he is in a F2 (circa 2014 car IIRC) so Rodin had some serious credibility. Fascinating to see progress on the FZero.
very cool. hope it happensesotericar said:
ZedLeg said:
If that comes out next year I'll donate my entire year's salary to charity.
Possibly unwise words. This thing is largely self funded by someone very well capitalised who is doing the project on the basis that he can afford to fund it and have it be a total commercial failure. It's not dependent on outside investments or stealing deposits from Peter to pay Paul to do the basic engineering.They make most of the car in house, including stuff like the crank. This is not the usual vapourware.
h getting out of junctions.Robertb said:
LucyP said:
He should probably concentrate on his data company. The shares are currently trading 32% below the year's highest price, so if you bought at the top, currently, you have just lost 32% of your money.
A reasonable result over the past year or so relative to other listed tech companies.Try looking at a 5 year chart of Dicker Data's SP and then make a judgement ...
Here's Chadwick driving another car they made:
https://youtu.be/SN7B_vxeaCI?t=328
It's mad how realistic they made this seem, isn’t it? As vapourware goes, pretty good. I especially like the way they integrated a real driver with the CGI race-track, CGI people and CGI car.
Impressive. Had it not been for the vigilant folk on this thread, I’d surely have been fooled into thinking it was a real car.
https://youtu.be/SN7B_vxeaCI?t=328
It's mad how realistic they made this seem, isn’t it? As vapourware goes, pretty good. I especially like the way they integrated a real driver with the CGI race-track, CGI people and CGI car.
Impressive. Had it not been for the vigilant folk on this thread, I’d surely have been fooled into thinking it was a real car.
Around 54 secs in this vid they just released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7gIn73Y518&t=...
These might not be the best examples, but off the top of my head, if Jim Ratcliffe can start Grenadier, Czinger can develop 3D printed cars that can go 280mph, SSC can make a car faster than Bugatti Koenigsegg and Pagani can launch fully-fledged hypercar brands as basically start-ups, Lee noble can produce his own super cars in a shed that were competitive with much larger brands, why wouldn't this bloke be able to do this?
He's a billionaire from creating a now-public company, he's a racing driver, he's built a track in NZ to develop his cars, he's bought the rights to the Lotus project, he's been working on it 10 years - seems like the ingredients are all there
These might not be the best examples, but off the top of my head, if Jim Ratcliffe can start Grenadier, Czinger can develop 3D printed cars that can go 280mph, SSC can make a car faster than Bugatti Koenigsegg and Pagani can launch fully-fledged hypercar brands as basically start-ups, Lee noble can produce his own super cars in a shed that were competitive with much larger brands, why wouldn't this bloke be able to do this?
He's a billionaire from creating a now-public company, he's a racing driver, he's built a track in NZ to develop his cars, he's bought the rights to the Lotus project, he's been working on it 10 years - seems like the ingredients are all there
Edited by A1astair on Friday 12th August 03:34
A1astair said:
Around 54 secs in this vid they just released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7gIn73Y518&t=...
These might not be the best examples, but off the top of my head, if Jim Ratcliffe can start Grenadier, Czinger can develop 3D printed cars that can go 280mph, SSC can make a car faster than Bugatti Koenigsegg and Pagani can launch fully-fledged hypercar brands as basically start-ups, Lee noble can produce his own super cars in a shed that were competitive with much larger brands, why wouldn't this bloke be able to do this?
He's a billionaire from creating a now-public company, he's a racing driver, he's built a track in NZ to develop his cars, he's bought the rights to the Lotus project, he's been working on it 10 years - seems like the ingredients are all there
Because ZedLeg said so....he's put his money where his mouth is though, so I expect a new thread with him handing his salary across to some charity if this comes out.These might not be the best examples, but off the top of my head, if Jim Ratcliffe can start Grenadier, Czinger can develop 3D printed cars that can go 280mph, SSC can make a car faster than Bugatti Koenigsegg and Pagani can launch fully-fledged hypercar brands as basically start-ups, Lee noble can produce his own super cars in a shed that were competitive with much larger brands, why wouldn't this bloke be able to do this?
He's a billionaire from creating a now-public company, he's a racing driver, he's built a track in NZ to develop his cars, he's bought the rights to the Lotus project, he's been working on it 10 years - seems like the ingredients are all there
Edited by A1astair on Friday 12th August 03:34
Even that picture poses more questions than it answers tbh. Ok so it looks like they've got a completely undressed long block and a cockpit. Where does the rest of the engine go? Electrical system, cooling, there are apparently going to be two turbos?
There's a reason that the pontoon style cars generally use small engines. Even the Ford GT which is a much more traditional car shape only has a V6 for packaging reasons.
There's a reason that the pontoon style cars generally use small engines. Even the Ford GT which is a much more traditional car shape only has a V6 for packaging reasons.
selym said:
Because ZedLeg said so....he's put his money where his mouth is though, so I expect a new thread with him handing his salary across to some charity if this comes out.
In defence of Zedleg, PH doesn't do these companies any justice by simply regurgitating the press release (not without running the text through the DJ 3000 at radio KBBL to add some witty banter) and to do something like put links to the companies social media outlets for those who want more information or to simply to their due diligence before they pledge next years salary!!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff