RE: Porsche Taycan Turbo S sets new 'ring EV record

[Cobracc]

[Funk]

smithyithy said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

400bhp less and still faster, goes to show that Porsche know how to make a car go round corners a lot better than Tesla!

Although I'm a big Porsche fan and don't particularly like Tesla...

The Taycan was on P Zero Corsa, whereas the Tesla Plaid was apparently on Pilot Sport 4S...

And aren't the brakes on the Plaid renowned for being utter crap? Or did Tesla tweak them on the 'Ring car?

[Terminator X]

greggy50 said:

Harrypop said:

Limpet said:

J4CKO said:

Car makers are now making things like the Taycan, mainly because of Tesla coming in and disrupting the market place

Precisely. The only reason any of the established car manufacturers give a stuff about electric cars now is because Tesla showed they could be made fast, desirable and interesting, and that people would pay a premium accordingly.

So, just to be clear, governmental legislation regarding the future of petrol and diesel cars, and shifting attitudes amongst the public in general, has had absolutely nothing to do with their decision making?

Nestly all EV owners wouldn't switch back to ICE imo. Most of the population aren't car enthusiasts and when you take that out of the equation providing the range is sufficient for your needs EVs do make better daily drivers.

Cheaper to run, cheaper to service, less to go wrong and better real world performance.

The BIK thing has helped of course but I still think they would be selling a lot regardless.

They aren't even selling a lot today despite all the incentives.

TX.

[andy43]

Funk said:

smithyithy said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

400bhp less and still faster, goes to show that Porsche know how to make a car go round corners a lot better than Tesla!

Although I'm a big Porsche fan and don't particularly like Tesla...

The Taycan was on P Zero Corsa, whereas the Tesla Plaid was apparently on Pilot Sport 4S...

And aren't the brakes on the Plaid renowned for being utter crap? Or did Tesla tweak them on the 'Ring car?

A Tesla isn’t a Porsche and never will be. It’s a lard arsed ten year old design that weighs over 2 tonnes, the first design from a new company who’d never drawn a car before.
If all Porsche can manage with their race pedigree and experience after designing the Taycan from the ground up as a battery powered performance saloon is a two second ‘ring advantage it’s not actually that impressive. But it does make better noises than the farts in a Tesla and it’ll be far better built.

[greggy50]

Terminator X said:

greggy50 said:

Harrypop said:

Limpet said:

J4CKO said:

Car makers are now making things like the Taycan, mainly because of Tesla coming in and disrupting the market place

Precisely. The only reason any of the established car manufacturers give a stuff about electric cars now is because Tesla showed they could be made fast, desirable and interesting, and that people would pay a premium accordingly.

So, just to be clear, governmental legislation regarding the future of petrol and diesel cars, and shifting attitudes amongst the public in general, has had absolutely nothing to do with their decision making?

Nestly all EV owners wouldn't switch back to ICE imo. Most of the population aren't car enthusiasts and when you take that out of the equation providing the range is sufficient for your needs EVs do make better daily drivers.

Cheaper to run, cheaper to service, less to go wrong and better real world performance.

The BIK thing has helped of course but I still think they would be selling a lot regardless.

They aren't even selling a lot today despite all the incentives.

TX.

Model 3 and Model Y are now amongst the top 15 cars sold in the UK I believe (Model Y is 10th/11th)

The majority of the rest of the list are far cheaper hatchbacks etc. as well many of which have electric variants such as the corsa, mini etc.

Once the sub £25k EVs hit such as the ID1 and MG4 etc they will start to dominate the sales charts imo.

EVs only make up 15-20% of the market currently due to limited choice but individual models are generally selling well compared to direct ICE rivals such as Model 3 vs 3 Series.

Overall sales will match ICE within 3 years tops imo.

Edited by greggy50 on Thursday 11th August 23:20

[Clivey]

greggy50 said:

Model 3 and Model Y are now amongst the top 15 cars sold in the UK I believe (Model Y is 10th/11th)

Only because the vast majority are company cars being subsidised. Take that away and hardly any of the new Tesla drivers would be buying them with their own money.

[greggy50]

Clivey said:

greggy50 said:

Model 3 and Model Y are now amongst the top 15 cars sold in the UK I believe (Model Y is 10th/11th)

Only because the vast majority are company cars being subsidised. Take that away and hardly any of the new Tesla drivers would be buying them with their own money.

A big chunk of new cars registered will be company vehicles and have been for decades. If the BIK was the same on a 320d as a Model 3 I suspect they would have still sold a st load of them to be honest.

As a brand to average Joe Tesla is seen as far cooler than BMW etc. Kids seem to love them as well so them nagging at parents to get one probably helps as well...

I did use to think the above and don't even like Teslas however when you speak to owners they love the product generally and I think you could remove all the subsidies and they wouldn't switch back to ICE. The subsidises probably helped initially but will be backed off gradually now I suspect as people get used to them and start to prefer them.

I have a couple of mates who have purchased a Model 3 for cash in late 20s early 30s who are not enthusiasts at all and just loved the brand etc. They do seem to be popular with older people as well in my neck of the woods.

[911stu]

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

[E90_M3Ross]

911stu said:

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

Did it take you over 8 months to come up with that "joke"

[Jimbo.]

911stu said:

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

No-one has any idea. Being so fast, it’s past-yer’-eyes before you know it.

Sorry.

[Screenwash]

Yep - one of them s-creamed past me on the motorway the other day…

[Jimbo.]

Good job you got out of its whey then.

[MDMA .]

Jimbo. said:

911stu said:

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

No-one has any idea. Being so fast, it’s past-yer’-eyes before you know it.

Sorry.

Was it the full fat model?

[andy43]

E90_M3Ross said:

911stu said:

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

Did it take you over 8 months to come up with that "joke"

He’d have replied faster but he was queuing for a Supercharger.

[E90_M3Ross]

andy43 said:

E90_M3Ross said:

911stu said:

It’s all well and good to make these new floats this fast, but where does the milk go?

Did it take you over 8 months to come up with that "joke"

He’d have replied faster but he was queuing for a Supercharger.

[biggbn]

Surprised it made it all the way round without a charge. And it can't tow a caravan. Or do 600 miles in one hit like my £1500 diesel Audi. And lots of other critical stuff.......

[Nomme de Plum]

biggbn said:

Surprised it made it all the way round without a charge. And it can't tow a caravan. Or do 600 miles in one hit like my £1500 diesel Audi. And lots of other critical stuff.......

No but all completely irrelevant.

What's your 'Ring' time?

[biggbn]

Twinair said:

D4rez said:

cookie1600 said:

Twinair said:

So 2 of the hottest EV’s, slower than my less powerful (and way cheaper) M4 Comp Xdrive… brum brum… x

And I'm guessing you could drive away from the circuit for some considerable miles on what was left in the tank afterwards, rather than having to fill it up immediately with 'juice' again?

Sure but what are you going to be allowed to buy in a few years time. It’s good to start the development of EVs that can do the track stuff. Yes this is a big sedan but it shows a direction of travel

All valid points - agree. My thought was that my ICE has between 100 and 500 less HP. Costs between £40k to £60k less. It goes ‘brum’ (which ok - not everyone wants a car that goes ‘brum’). Even Chris Harris said of the M3/4: ‘I’d rather drive one of these than any EV - point blank’, due to the soul and involvement.

We are constantly reading (being told) on these forums that: ‘EV performance is superior - in every way’. Well from my direct actual experience of EV’s (Model 3 Perf & Polestar Perf & Taycan) they are not superior.

So right now, ICE is er, better ‘bang’ for the buck versus these current, horsepower laden & expensive, EV benchmarks?

No? Yes?

Edited by Twinair on Wednesday 10th August 16:03

Why does having a relatively crude, relatively noisy ICE give a car 'soul'? Genuine question. I think it does by the way, but not every ICE car has soul so the lines blur once again.

[Nomme de Plum]

biggbn said:

Why does having a relatively crude, relatively noisy ICE give a car 'soul'? Genuine question. I think it does by the way, but not every ICE car has soul so the lines blur once again.

Ascribing a spiritual characteristic to any car is just a bit weird in my opinion. As it happens i do not believe in the human soul either.

[E90_M3Ross]

biggbn said:

Twinair said:

D4rez said:

cookie1600 said:

Twinair said:

So 2 of the hottest EV’s, slower than my less powerful (and way cheaper) M4 Comp Xdrive… brum brum… x

And I'm guessing you could drive away from the circuit for some considerable miles on what was left in the tank afterwards, rather than having to fill it up immediately with 'juice' again?

Sure but what are you going to be allowed to buy in a few years time. It’s good to start the development of EVs that can do the track stuff. Yes this is a big sedan but it shows a direction of travel

All valid points - agree. My thought was that my ICE has between 100 and 500 less HP. Costs between £40k to £60k less. It goes ‘brum’ (which ok - not everyone wants a car that goes ‘brum’). Even Chris Harris said of the M3/4: ‘I’d rather drive one of these than any EV - point blank’, due to the soul and involvement.

We are constantly reading (being told) on these forums that: ‘EV performance is superior - in every way’. Well from my direct actual experience of EV’s (Model 3 Perf & Polestar Perf & Taycan) they are not superior.

So right now, ICE is er, better ‘bang’ for the buck versus these current, horsepower laden & expensive, EV benchmarks?

No? Yes?

Edited by Twinair on Wednesday 10th August 16:03

Why does having a relatively crude, relatively noisy ICE give a car 'soul'? Genuine question. I think it does by the way, but not every ICE car has soul so the lines blur once again.

Because sounds can evoke changes in mood via releases of differing neurotransmitters in the brain. It is no different to why humans have evolved to enjoy music, for example. Some noises humans perceive as pleasant, enthralling etc, yet other noises are irritating.