Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?

[911hope]

av185 said:

911hope said:

av185 said:

911hope said:

av185 said:

Best time to punish and educate the middle lane morons is when its raining or the roads are wet.

Overtake them then sit in front of them for a while jetting their pristine vehicle with filthy road st.

Usually results in them taking avoiding action and moving to the correct lane but if not this merely confirms they are totally oblivious cocktards and there is absolutley no hope whatsoever for such sub species.

You mean go into the middle lane, while not overtaking? What does that make you?

A malicious MLM?

Your moral high ground just caved in.

Nope you have spectacularly missed the point.

Read my post properly.

Overtake middle lane moron in lane three slow return to lane two slow return to lane 1.

Simples.

Your most recent claim wasn't in your first post.

But this was.....

"Overtake them then sit in front of them for a while jetting their pristine vehicle with filthy road st."

i.e. sit in the middle lane, just to annoy someone.


Your defence has failed. You condemn yourself with your own words!

Nope.

'A while' means the required period of time to execute the overtake and safely return to lane 1. Whilst spraying said miscreant in the process.

Try it sometime. They normally get the message.

If you read what your actual motive was, using your words "punish and educate them".

The "while" required for that seems to be somewhat larger than the sub-second transition through L2 back to the inside.

You defence is looking even more flimsy. I think you should stop digging....The hole is getting deeper.

[techguyone]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

I can't.

But perhaps you could tell us your rationale for sitting in the middle lane on a quiet day?

[Hol]

911hope said:

Looks like this thread has migrated to...

"how can I drive worse than a MLM and be proud of it"

Do you have any other really bad anti-social driving habits that you would like to excuse by stealth?

It’s about as subtle as the residue on your keyboard.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

techguyone said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

I can't.

But perhaps you could tell us your rationale for sitting in the middle lane on a quiet day?

Possibly I'd overtake a lorry then Sunday afternoon just sat out. Circa 70. No one ahead or behind that I could see when I last checked.

[911hope]

Hol said:

Do you have any other really bad anti-social driving habits that you would like to excuse by stealth?

It’s about as subtle as the residue on your keyboard.

Mid lane driving is annoying and a waste of resource. May cause impatience in others, who in turn do something risky.

But it seems there are plenty on here that seek opportunities to play games/punish the Mid lane driver.

All at the same time as claiming to always drive in the correct lane. Something of a contradiction.

Then there are those who defend the "punishers"....or attack those who point it out.

So which is worse the mid lane driver or the punisher?

[Killer2005]

Blackpuddin said:

About 35 years ago I went to a police press conference where they announced that they'd been 'fact finding' in California (nice work if you can get it) to establish the viability of bringing the US's 'drive in any lane' system to the UK. Bafflingly, to me at any rate – I'm afraid I don't remember the justifications they made – they decided that it wasn't viable.
Somebody once told me in all seriousness that they liked the middle lane because it gave them more room to try and contain the mad swerving they anticipated would certainly happen in a blowout.

When on holiday in June I drove from Las Vegas to San Francisco across California and then up the coast, and have to say the freeways appeared to flow much better than over here. Our problem is that due to MLMs and OLMs we end up with queues of cars sat in the outside lane because people won't move over or use the inside lanes to get past whereas in the States someone would just use the inside lane to overtake those in the outside lane.

It just worked, those wanting to press on just did in the outside lane and the vast majority kept out of their way.

[Hol]

911hope said:

Hol said:

Do you have any other really bad anti-social driving habits that you would like to excuse by stealth?

It’s about as subtle as the residue on your keyboard.

Mid lane driving is annoying and a waste of resource. May cause impatience in others, who in turn do something risky.

But it seems there are plenty on here that seek opportunities to play games/punish the Mid lane driver.

All at the same time as claiming to always drive in the correct lane. Something of a contradiction.

Then there are those who defend the "punishers"....or attack those who point it out.

So which is worse the mid lane driver or the punisher?

I think MLM rolling roadblocks are..

At best. Simply inattentive idiots, who require some training on how to use a motorway.
At worst. Deliberately obstructive morons, who get some form of enjoyment with making everyone else compromise for them personally.

[Hol]

Killer2005 said:

Blackpuddin said:

About 35 years ago I went to a police press conference where they announced that they'd been 'fact finding' in California (nice work if you can get it) to establish the viability of bringing the US's 'drive in any lane' system to the UK. Bafflingly, to me at any rate – I'm afraid I don't remember the justifications they made – they decided that it wasn't viable.
Somebody once told me in all seriousness that they liked the middle lane because it gave them more room to try and contain the mad swerving they anticipated would certainly happen in a blowout.

When on holiday in June I drove from Las Vegas to San Francisco across California and then up the coast, and have to say the freeways appeared to flow much better than over here. Our problem is that due to MLMs and OLMs we end up with queues of cars sat in the outside lane because people won't move over or use the inside lanes to get past whereas in the States someone would just use the inside lane to overtake those in the outside lane.

It just worked, those wanting to press on just did in the outside lane and the vast majority kept out of their way.

I own a property in the states and I dont personally think it’s a good idea for the UK.

For one thing a good percentage of motorists will be crashing into each other whilst swerving like a slalom though traffic without indicating and heading for the same gap in the middle lanes.

It only works in the US because 99% of cars stay in lane.

[Deranged Rover]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

Aha! A self-confessed MLM owns up on PH! Very brave of you, sir, but I respect your honesty, if not your driving standards.

Don't bloody do it again.

[RazerSauber]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

techguyone said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

I can't.

But perhaps you could tell us your rationale for sitting in the middle lane on a quiet day?

Possibly I'd overtake a lorry then Sunday afternoon just sat out. Circa 70. No one ahead or behind that I could see when I last checked.

This is, at least, part of the problem. If you weren't paying attention to your mirrors, how do you know how long he has been there? That could've been an emergency vehicle and you not checking your mirrors could've held them up. Not that it justifies his actions in any way. It's also worth posing the question "if you're not paying attention to your mirrors, what else aren't you paying attention to?".

The point of the Highway Code and the laws etc is that you're predictable. People should automatically know that if you're approaching an obstruction in your lane, you'll be moving over and moving back once the obstruction has been passed. If everyone follows the same set of rules then it helps everyone around anticipate what you're going to do and not have to have a series of reactions from driver to driver which takes time and isn't safe. Sitting in the middle lane because you're too lackadaisical to move back over after "possibly" overtaking a lorry is poor driving and goes against the Highway Code.

[vonhosen]

RazerSauber said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

techguyone said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

I can't.

But perhaps you could tell us your rationale for sitting in the middle lane on a quiet day?

Possibly I'd overtake a lorry then Sunday afternoon just sat out. Circa 70. No one ahead or behind that I could see when I last checked.

This is, at least, part of the problem. If you weren't paying attention to your mirrors, how do you know how long he has been there? That could've been an emergency vehicle and you not checking your mirrors could've held them up. Not that it justifies his actions in any way. It's also worth posing the question "if you're not paying attention to your mirrors, what else aren't you paying attention to?".

The point of the Highway Code and the laws etc is that you're predictable. People should automatically know that if you're approaching an obstruction in your lane, you'll be moving over and moving back once the obstruction has been passed. If everyone follows the same set of rules then it helps everyone around anticipate what you're going to do and not have to have a series of reactions from driver to driver which takes time and isn't safe. Sitting in the middle lane because you're too lackadaisical to move back over after "possibly" overtaking a lorry is poor driving and goes against the Highway Code.

I've yet to meet anyone who drives according to the highway code at all times.

People tend to justify their own foibles to themselves & don't much care what others think about them.
Others get wound up by those people not doing it by the book, but then have their own foibles & they don't care what others think about them.
It's the way of the world.
People are essentially self serving & society just gets more that way as time goes by.
MLMs do what they do because they find driving life easier for themselves that way & that's their primary concern.

[PDP76]

No they never notice. It’s a common theme on the M1 on the junctions I use.
Even late at night it’s almost unbelievable to see people just sat in lanes 3+4 almost jockeying for position whilst the lorry lane 1 and the overtaking lorry lane 2, are completely clear !
I’ll often sit in lanes 1 moving 2 when needed and pass everyone dawdling out in 3+4.
Mind boggles !
The lane discipline is awful.

[PDP76]

Blackpuddin said:

About 35 years ago I went to a police press conference where they announced that they'd been 'fact finding' in California (nice work if you can get it) to establish the viability of bringing the US's 'drive in any lane' system to the UK. Bafflingly, to me at any rate – I'm afraid I don't remember the justifications they made – they decided that it wasn't viable.
Somebody once told me in all seriousness that they liked the middle lane because it gave them more room to try and contain the mad swerving they anticipated would certainly happen in a blowout.

Mid 90’s I was in the armed forces out in Hong Kong for 6 months. All lanes pass as you like was a bit of a mission.
Hong Kong was crazy busy anyway, but trying to get over for a junction was almost impossible. Even with indicators they’d just keep coming at you. You’d just have to make a move and make them slow down so you could get over and get off. Was fun back then, but risky business on their roads for sure.

[Portofino]

Prob been touched on already but if the middle laners & all motorists to be fair, were trained to use the motorway as intended then it frees up a lot of space/road real estate to reduce congestion.

Never see any education on the matter for some reason, only really see ‘Tiredness Kills’……

Tin foil hat on says the authorities want to make it the terrible experience it usually is on purpose.

[AC43]

It always gets on my tits when I'm returning from France and heading up the M20. And, after two weeks of bliss driving on French motorways, it always happens within the first five minutes.

This year's prize plum was a woman driving in lane 3 of a 4 lane stretch with no traffic on her left for half a mile. I moved from L1 to L3 and gave her a few flashes. Nothing. So I moved into lane 4 to get past the mobile roadblock and was treated to sight of her thrusting her flabby bingo-winged arm out of her open window giving me the finger. Three kids in the car too. Classy.

Towards the and of the journey from there over the Dartford Crossing and onto the M25 I just gave up and started passing scores of cars in L1 and they were just going to sit in L2/3/4 all day and all night long.

fking morons.

[Tommo87]

RazerSauber said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

techguyone said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

I was sat in the middle lane on the M62 over Saddleworth Moor. It was a quite day. Suddenly someone overtook close then swung close in across my front and braked.

He then swung alongside me and mouthed wker before driving off.


If you anyone here thinks a close lane back in punishment move is right to teach a middle lane driver please tell me your thinking why.

I can't.

But perhaps you could tell us your rationale for sitting in the middle lane on a quiet day?

Possibly I'd overtake a lorry then Sunday afternoon just sat out. Circa 70. No one ahead or behind that I could see when I last checked.

This is, at least, part of the problem. If you weren't paying attention to your mirrors, how do you know how long he has been there? That could've been an emergency vehicle and you not checking your mirrors could've held them up. Not that it justifies his actions in any way. It's also worth posing the question "if you're not paying attention to your mirrors, what else aren't you paying attention to?".

The point of the Highway Code and the laws etc is that you're predictable. People should automatically know that if you're approaching an obstruction in your lane, you'll be moving over and moving back once the obstruction has been passed. If everyone follows the same set of rules then it helps everyone around anticipate what you're going to do and not have to have a series of reactions from driver to driver which takes time and isn't safe. Sitting in the middle lane because you're too lackadaisical to move back over after "possibly" overtaking a lorry is poor driving and goes against the Highway Code.

I definitely think you are on to something there.

Most motorway drivers keep an eye on what is behind them, so that they can plan their next lane change.
BUT, if someone has NO intention of changing lanes for many miles, then they probably aren’t bothering to pay intention to anyone but the cars in front (in their chosen lane).

[A Winner Is You]

I often find a scenario where I'm in L1 doing an indicated 75 or so and can see I'm catching someone dawdling in L2, but am always hesitant on how to act. Yes, I know that I could say in L1 and allow the speed differential to pass without it being an undertake. But I always feel like I'm putting myself somewhere where the other driver doesn't expect me to be, so the chances of them moving back into L1 without looking are higher. But the other option is to go straight from L1 to 3, pass them then back again, which could be seen as aggressive or careless. Even more so when you can see an HGV ahead so only have a limited window before you catch them.

Or am I just over thinking it?

[vonhosen]

A Winner Is You said:

I often find a scenario where I'm in L1 doing an indicated 75 or so and can see I'm catching someone dawdling in L2, but am always hesitant on how to act. Yes, I know that I could say in L1 and allow the speed differential to pass without it being an undertake. But I always feel like I'm putting myself somewhere where the other driver doesn't expect me to be, so the chances of them moving back into L1 without looking are higher. But the other option is to go straight from L1 to 3, pass them then back again, which could be seen as aggressive or careless. Even more so when you can see an HGV ahead so only have a limited window before you catch them.

Or am I just over thinking it?

An undertake is a pass/overtake on the left in any circumstances.
The highway code allows for it in some very limited circumstances (but it being permitted doesn't mean it isn't still an undertake/pass on the left).

[Portofino]

vonhosen said:

A Winner Is You said:

I often find a scenario where I'm in L1 doing an indicated 75 or so and can see I'm catching someone dawdling in L2, but am always hesitant on how to act. Yes, I know that I could say in L1 and allow the speed differential to pass without it being an undertake. But I always feel like I'm putting myself somewhere where the other driver doesn't expect me to be, so the chances of them moving back into L1 without looking are higher. But the other option is to go straight from L1 to 3, pass them then back again, which could be seen as aggressive or careless. Even more so when you can see an HGV ahead so only have a limited window before you catch them.

Or am I just over thinking it?

An undertake is a pass/overtake on the left in any circumstances.
The highway code allows for it in some very limited circumstances (but it being permitted doesn't mean it isn't still an undertake/pass on the left).

If you do not deviate into lane 1, that is you were always in that lane, then you are perfectly within the rules to continue on the inside. It’s when you change lanes on purpose that is frowned upon.

[A Winner Is You]

Portofino said:

vonhosen said:

A Winner Is You said:

I often find a scenario where I'm in L1 doing an indicated 75 or so and can see I'm catching someone dawdling in L2, but am always hesitant on how to act. Yes, I know that I could say in L1 and allow the speed differential to pass without it being an undertake. But I always feel like I'm putting myself somewhere where the other driver doesn't expect me to be, so the chances of them moving back into L1 without looking are higher. But the other option is to go straight from L1 to 3, pass them then back again, which could be seen as aggressive or careless. Even more so when you can see an HGV ahead so only have a limited window before you catch them.

Or am I just over thinking it?

An undertake is a pass/overtake on the left in any circumstances.
The highway code allows for it in some very limited circumstances (but it being permitted doesn't mean it isn't still an undertake/pass on the left).

If you do not deviate into lane 1, that is you were always in that lane, then you are perfectly within the rules to continue on the inside. It’s when you change lanes on purpose that is frowned upon.

Exactly, if you're doing 70 and they're doing 65 so end up moving ahead of them, I see no issue with maintaining that speed and positioning, highly doubt the police would either. If you were tailgating, switched into L1 and sped past to teach them a lesson, then it's of course somewhat different.