Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?

Middle Lane Drivers, Do they Ever Notice?

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swisstoni

17,020 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.

bigothunter

11,295 posts

60 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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swisstoni said:
Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.
Motorway driving today is tedious - it's supposed to be. "Loop the moron" is a way of breaking that tedium. There are other techniques too.

nickfrog

21,175 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I have also noticed that even in urban environments as soon as there are more than 1 lane some drivers use the overtaking one as the default lane, whether their right turn is in hundreds of yards or they're not turning right. In fairness it now frees up the inside lane quite nicely.

The only hope is that driving instructors drill that down with new drivers but it's not like they are very compliant themselves either...biglaugh

swisstoni

17,020 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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bigothunter said:
swisstoni said:
Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.
Motorway driving today is tedious - it's supposed to be. "Loop the moron" is a way of breaking that tedium. There are other techniques too.
Just doubles the number of morons imho.

911hope

2,706 posts

26 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
There you go...there is something worse than the MLM.. someone who consciously uses all the lanes while repeatedly failing to overtake someone.

Not really occupying the moral high ground.

Griffith4ever

4,280 posts

35 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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bigothunter said:
swisstoni said:
Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.
Motorway driving today is tedious - it's supposed to be. "Loop the moron" is a way of breaking that tedium. There are other techniques too.
"Orbiting" :-)

I tried it once for curiousity, and fun, on an empty motorway with one sat there in the middle lane, all on his tod. Made us laugh a chunk. Was very gentle about it, letting him cruise past, then slowly catching up, overtaking, then letting him pass. Did it about 3 times before it felt a bit mental. Wanted to see if someone would keep overtaking me tbh. He did.

Once was enough.

No one cares any more. making a "point" makes no difference UNLESS it's someone who's stopped paying attention. Quite often overtaking one then slotting into L1, NOT aggressively, prompts them to move back to L1. Doing it aggressively has zero impact (unsuprisingly, to the stubborn).

Journied home from London last Sunday and almost all the motorway information signs had either "Don't hog the middle lane", or "Keep left when not overtaking" on, and every time we passed one, a fair few MLMs moved over to L1.

They should have those signs saying that a LOT more :-)

popeyewhite

19,917 posts

120 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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swisstoni said:
bigothunter said:
swisstoni said:
Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.
Motorway driving today is tedious - it's supposed to be. "Loop the moron" is a way of breaking that tedium. There are other techniques too.
Just doubles the number of morons imho.
This.

Similar for playing games under/overtaking the same car for fun. Use the Mway to get from A to B and don't contribute to the general stupidity please.

Griffith4ever

4,280 posts

35 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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popeyewhite said:
. Use the Mway to get from A to B and don't contribute to the general stupidity please.
OK Dad ;-)

Deranged Rover

3,403 posts

74 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Saudade said:
3) My preference is too stick cruise on (radar better if you have it) to something around 70.
You utter maniac. 55-60mph would be much safer. As you rightly said - speed kills.

bigothunter

11,295 posts

60 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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swisstoni said:
bigothunter said:
swisstoni said:
Common Porpoise said:
I can't remember if it was on here that i read about the "loop the moron" game.

You complete an overtake of a middle lane moron in the outside lane then move to the middle (or third) lane and then to the inside lane or the lane inside your target car before slowing until they overtake you. You then accelerate to re overtake in the correct fashion and repeat as above. managed five loops once, I think northbound on the M3.
Far better you just get on with your day imho.
Someone that oblivious isn’t going to take the hint in any case.
Motorway driving today is tedious - it's supposed to be. "Loop the moron" is a way of breaking that tedium. There are other techniques too.
Just doubles the number of morons imho.
Kawasicki described another good anti-tedium technique. When ahead of a group of closely following morons, make a sudden step-input to the steering so the car jumps sideways. Thinking you have avoided an obstacle, those behind panic sending a transverse wave down the queue. Great fun biglaugh

But swisstoni, you have a point. Loop or panic the moron are poor driving shouldn't be encouraged. At worst, either could cause an accident. But perhaps the restrictions which promote boredom should not be imposed. Tedium is not a pre-requisite to safe progress.

bigothunter

11,295 posts

60 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Deranged Rover said:
Saudade said:
3) My preference is too stick cruise on (radar better if you have it) to something around 70.
You utter maniac. 55-60mph would be much safer. As you rightly said - speed kills.
50mph is safer still. That's speedo reading of course biggrin

Actually safety threshold occurs at 30mph (<50g accident criterion). Over 30mph and things get dodgy.

havoc

30,075 posts

235 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Saudade said:
I was a make progress at all times, move left unless overtaking someone person and to be honest every drive was miserable.
This is me. Even more so recently.

Griffith4ever said:
No one cares any more.
This is very true.


Been taking Little Miss Havoc (christ that's an appropriate name for her! hehe ) to holiday club the last couple of days. 8-10 mile drive on trunk road, D-carriageway, open country road and finally town roads. And I've lost count of the sheer number of fking idiots who are driving at least 25% below the limit - frequently 40 indicated in a 50, slowing down further for bends. 55 on a NSL DC...in the overtaking lane! 20 or so through a wide town road...presumably "just in case". All in dry daylight conditions. The same people that peel off a roundabout straight into the right hand (overtaking) lane, and then completely fail to use more than 2mm of throttle pedal.

Then there's the bunch that drive down a trunk road sitting <10 ft from the obstacle car in front, sitting wide so they can see past (because tailgating), and yet failing to overtake (because don't you know it's dangerous), so all they achieve is to block everyone else behind them. Usually a 4x4 too, so you can't see through them.


When did everyone become so SLOW???

bigothunter

11,295 posts

60 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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havoc said:
When did everyone become so SLOW???
SLOW is SAFE...

No point in taking risks...

Just leave earlier...

havoc

30,075 posts

235 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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bigothunter said:
havoc said:
When did everyone become so SLOW???
SLOW is SAFE...

No point in taking risks...

Just leave earlier...
rage

Me, tomorrow morning:-

Got4wheels

433 posts

26 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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On my way home from Nottingham last night and I'd just got onto the M1. Few hundred yards ahead a 23 plate VW Transporter enters, overtakes a caravan and takes up residence in L2, despite L1 being pretty clear. Plenty of time for him to move across and out of the way, but no, seems to be oblivious. He's only doing about 60 as I approach him in L1 doing 65-70.

Did my head in, had to move out from L1-L3 to overtake him, I had hoped that by sweeping back to L1 he'd get the message, alas he stayed there, bimbling away as I left him behind.

Michael

Agent57

1,660 posts

154 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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Got4wheels said:
I had hoped that by sweeping back to L1 he'd get the message, alas he stayed there, bimbling away as I left him behind.

Michael
They never get the message.


r5kdt

247 posts

185 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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PastelNata said:
Hol said:
Well, that’s why they aren’t called Middle Lane Experts by all the people who actually can read and understand the Highway Code.


It’s Middle Lane MORONS, because it’s the most accurate description, for someone who is too stupid to understand or accept that their use of the roads is incorrect, both legally and morally.

I don't believe that, not one bit. MLM's know they shouldn't sit in the middle lanes but choose to do so. It isn't that they don't understand the Code nor that they refuse to accept that they are technically in the wrong (unlike those who believe the Code is wrong for speeding and that they know better).

They make a calculated choice to remain in the middle lanes because it suits them to do so - laziness likely being the main reason.

Whereas those who deliberately go much faster that the speed limits do so out of arrogance and an assumption that those who decide speed limits on any given stretch are idiots and should be ignored. It's these law breakers who are the true moron's. biggrin
Douglas Bader had it right when he said "Rules are for the abeyance of fools and the guidance of wise men"

vonhosen

40,237 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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r5kdt said:
PastelNata said:
Hol said:
Well, that’s why they aren’t called Middle Lane Experts by all the people who actually can read and understand the Highway Code.


It’s Middle Lane MORONS, because it’s the most accurate description, for someone who is too stupid to understand or accept that their use of the roads is incorrect, both legally and morally.

I don't believe that, not one bit. MLM's know they shouldn't sit in the middle lanes but choose to do so. It isn't that they don't understand the Code nor that they refuse to accept that they are technically in the wrong (unlike those who believe the Code is wrong for speeding and that they know better).

They make a calculated choice to remain in the middle lanes because it suits them to do so - laziness likely being the main reason.

Whereas those who deliberately go much faster that the speed limits do so out of arrogance and an assumption that those who decide speed limits on any given stretch are idiots and should be ignored. It's these law breakers who are the true moron's. biggrin
Douglas Bader had it right when he said "Rules are for the abeyance of fools and the guidance of wise men"
Are you talking about lane discipline now or speed limits?

What seems foolish is getting caught & prosecuted if you don't like the consequences of doing so (for any offence).

Steve-B

710 posts

282 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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I quite like the idea of an Driving IQ test, lowers in lane 1 up to highest in lan3 (or 4,5).

Mits said:
Introduce road pricing with 50p per mile, rising to £2 in the middle and £5 in the fast lane. That will soon keep everyone driving on the left.

Tyrell Corp

256 posts

20 months

Tuesday 1st August 2023
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bigothunter said:
50mph is safer still. That's speedo reading of course biggrin

Actually safety threshold occurs at 30mph (<50g accident criterion). Over 30mph and things get dodgy.
you've done a speed awareness course too?