RE: Aston Martin unveils spectacular DBR22

[swisstoni]

Iamnotkloot said:

I’m trying not to be cynical about this but fear I may fail. I’ll just say that comparing it to their legendary DBR1 in their photos make the later car look very heavy handed

Absolutely true but you could make the same point against any sports manufacturer who had stuff out in that era.

[Its Just Adz]

swisstoni said:

That man would have to be utterly minted to ask AM to make him one and so bravery wouldn’t really come in to it imho.

The relevance of the car to us plebs is that it may just be a pointer towards a more handsome house style.

I was leaning more towards the possibility that AM will be bankrupt and gone before this car is even built.

[Numpty with honours]

I would have thought that developing a EV roadster where apart from Lotus's offering and Tesla promise of one sometime soon might have been more fertile ground to throw money at. It is so very difficult to speculate how ICE cars will fare in the run up to 2030.

[Murph7355]

Numpty with honours said:

I would have thought that developing a EV roadster where apart from Lotus's offering and Tesla promise of one sometime soon might have been more fertile ground to throw money at. It is so very difficult to speculate how ICE cars will fare in the run up to 2030.

I agree. They are focussing on the wrong things.

But that is not something new for Aston.

As for this...the problem when you try to ape an older model is that the original had a cohesive design. Trying to ape with something never originally conceived to look that way, doesn't. It looks awkward. Cynical.

I'm not even sure the interior would be a step in the right direction for the Vantage. It looks like the sort of interior someone who wears cardigans with leather elbow patches would relish. The current one is a mess. But this goes to the entire other end of the spectrum.

I do wonder whether Marek has what's needed stylistically. The old shape Vantage got progressively worse as it was embellished...and I've only seen one example of a more recent product that made me look again (a newer Vantage pulling out of a car park)...but the second look wasn't good.

[swisstoni]

Its Just Adz said:

swisstoni said:

That man would have to be utterly minted to ask AM to make him one and so bravery wouldn’t really come in to it imho.

The relevance of the car to us plebs is that it may just be a pointer towards a more handsome house style.

I was leaning more towards the possibility that AM will be bankrupt and gone before this car is even built.

Fair enough. I can’t imagine a world without AM. That’s why I really hope they start making appealing cars.

[samoht]

swisstoni said:

Its Just Adz said:

swisstoni said:

That man would have to be utterly minted to ask AM to make him one and so bravery wouldn’t really come in to it imho.

The relevance of the car to us plebs is that it may just be a pointer towards a more handsome house style.

I was leaning more towards the possibility that AM will be bankrupt and gone before this car is even built.

Fair enough. I can’t imagine a world without AM. That’s why I really hope they start making appealing cars.

Oh don't worry, there will always be an Aston Martin.

It's just that if they add to their tally of seven bankruptcies, would-be customers who have extended Stroll & Co an interest-free loan in the form of a deposit could easily end up not seeing their car or their money again.

(See SSO's "Turtle Soup" for the full details of their financial position)

Edited by samoht on Monday 15th August 23:27

[Pflanzgarten]

samoht said:

Oh don't worry, there will always be an Aston Martin.

It's just that if they add to their tally of seven bankruptcies, would-be customers who have extended Stroll & Co an interest-free loan in the form of a deposit could easily end up not seeing their car or their money again.

(See SSO's "Turtle Soup" for the full details of their financial position)

Edited by samoht on Monday 15th August 23:27

My goodness.

[carinaman]

SturdyHSV said:

There's a Readers Cars thread with a bloke making what looks to be a nicer version of this out of a V8 Vantage. Far more interesting

I was going to make that comment. I may not have a great mind, but we're thinking alike.

[Adrian W]

those wheels are hideous and really don't suit the car

[epom]

Very unique.

[HJG]

I was thinking it looks really good, but then saw the lines of that DBR1 and this DBR22 looks like a slab.

[Sebastian Tombs]

Hooray, AM have decided to make a beautiful car with proper proportions and purity of line again.

My goodness though does Marek talk a load of absolute wk or what?

[FlukePlay]

Pflanzgarten said:

samoht said:

Oh don't worry, there will always be an Aston Martin.

It's just that if they add to their tally of seven bankruptcies, would-be customers who have extended Stroll & Co an interest-free loan in the form of a deposit could easily end up not seeing their car or their money again.

(See SSO's "Turtle Soup" for the full details of their financial position)

Edited by samoht on Monday 15th August 23:27

My goodness.

That was a good read...the finances really are dire and any fund raise means a good portion is used to pay off existing debt. The financial death spiral. To be honest, electronic/chip component availability is a possible cause for delayed manufacturing and deliveries...regardless if other manufacturers seem to be rolling cars out quicker. If you are tied into specific component suppliers, it's not easy to shift to a new supplier. I know this game, I'm in it and is has taken 18 months to revise and implement a new supplier strategy where I work.

[BigChiefmuffinAgain]

thegreenhell said:

Draxindustries1 said:

The Aston fronts always remind me of the Mondeo..

Whereas older people will see a distant Ford approaching and momentarily get excited thinking it's an Aston Martin, until it gets closer and disappointment ensues.

Suspect these days that the Mondeo is actually the rarer car....

[Neil1300r]

Murph7355 said:

I agree. They are focussing on the wrong things.

But that is not something new for Aston.

As for this...the problem when you try to ape an older model is that the original had a cohesive design. Trying to ape with something never originally conceived to look that way, doesn't. It looks awkward. Cynical.

I'm not even sure the interior would be a step in the right direction for the Vantage. It looks like the sort of interior someone who wears cardigans with leather elbow patches would relish. The current one is a mess. But this goes to the entire other end of the spectrum.

I do wonder whether Marek has what's needed stylistically. The old shape Vantage got progressively worse as it was embellished...and I've only seen one example of a more recent product that made me look again (a newer Vantage pulling out of a car park)...but the second look wasn't good.

The interior is identical to the Speedster. I very much doubt this will be in a facelifted Vantage / DB11. Just Aston getting rid of interior parts sat on the dusty shelves

[Vee12V]

Imagine having bought the V12 Speedster and now they come up with a much better looking version. I'd be furious.

[RichB]

thegreenhell said:

Draxindustries1 said:

The Aston fronts always remind me of the Mondeo..

Whereas older people will see a distant Ford approaching and momentarily get excited thinking it's an Aston Martin, until it gets closer and disappointment ensues.

Indeed, old enough to remember that Ford copied the style when they owned Aston Martin.

[Minglar]

Vee12V said:

Imagine having bought the V12 Speedster and now they come up with a much better looking version. I'd be furious.

Unfortunately AM seem to make a habit of this. I think it’s highly likely that this will happen again on Friday with the official reveal of V12 Vantage Roadster at Pebble Beach. The car AM vehemently told all recent V12 Vantage Coupé buyers they wouldn’t make. I do believe that the Coupé buyers had the option to change or cancel once AM finally admitted it was coming. So a slightly different scenario I guess.

Best Regards

Minglar

[Harrypop]

Vee12V said:

Imagine having bought the V12 Speedster and now they come up with a much better looking version. I'd be furious.

I've been wanting to ask this question myself but assumed that because nobody had done so far that there was an obvious reason I was missing for it not to be a factor. Does seem strange that the Speedster was only delivered to customers in 2021 and yet here we are in 2022 and there is already a replacement though.

[Mastiff]

Stevie_Wonder said:

Check out how beautiful the original looks though....

THAT (to my eyes) is a beautiful car

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