RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled
Discussion
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Markytee said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
BMW 745i in the 70's which had a 3.3
Am I correct in saying C63 should have been C62 ..?6.2L "C63"
4.0L "C63"
2.0L "C63"
so in that regard, it's following family tradition
Feel like I'd just get the C43 though (or an M3 tbh) - if you're not getting the V8, why get this?
otolith said:
All that technical complexity to achieve 2,111kg, 680bhp, and a fake soundtrack.
"Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself"
Why bother?
You raise an interesting point there. For me I'd still rather have this than the Tesla...because I still have a weird fetish for an ICE for some reason(even if it is only a 4 pot). However I'd imagine that the majority now would much prefer the Tesla though in comparison. "Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself"
Why bother?
A Tesla is seen as cool nowadays(or any EV for that matter), whereas an ICE seems to be touted as the root to all evil in comparison I reckon.
I absolutely see the point of a V8 over the Tesla, even though it’s slower, but this - no soundtrack, no manual (not that AMGs ever had one, but it’s a thing EVs don’t have), heavier, slower. Better looking and probably a more expensive feeling and more conventional interior, but the drivetrain seems an exercise in pointlessness.
Petrolhead is a fairly broad term if we are being honest. People love cars for very different reasons.
Take my very good mate. He loves his performance cars. He has an E46 M3. Utterly immaculate and low mileage. It looks fantastic in carbon black. Except it's convertible with smg. When I eventually got to drive it, maybe a year after he got it I swiftly stuck it into sport mode; " Oh, I don't think I have ever had it in sport mode...." he declared. After we stopped he also suggested that I had driven it harder than he ever had. I didn't drive hard at all save for a couple of half decent bursts of acceleration coming onto the A14.
He loves his cars and is most certainly a petrolhead, but he's not a driver. True driving enthusiasts understand that sometimes much less is very much more.
Take my very good mate. He loves his performance cars. He has an E46 M3. Utterly immaculate and low mileage. It looks fantastic in carbon black. Except it's convertible with smg. When I eventually got to drive it, maybe a year after he got it I swiftly stuck it into sport mode; " Oh, I don't think I have ever had it in sport mode...." he declared. After we stopped he also suggested that I had driven it harder than he ever had. I didn't drive hard at all save for a couple of half decent bursts of acceleration coming onto the A14.
He loves his cars and is most certainly a petrolhead, but he's not a driver. True driving enthusiasts understand that sometimes much less is very much more.
tallsean said:
Mercedes are struggling with electrical issues on a normal car. The latest mercs are not without their issues. The more complicated the more will fail and damage reliability.
One gets the feeling that any of these modern performance turbo hybrid cars, are going to be a maintenance nightmare out of warranty. 2032 Brave Pill contender already, this one. romac said:
Sorry, Koenigsegg have beaten them to it with the Gemera. 
I'm sure it's a fantastic car, and I probably will have to hand in my PH badge, but my present car at 184bhp hybrid is the most powerful and fastest to 0-60 car that I have had. Beats my V6 Saab 900 and 2.3 LPT Saab 9000 (just). I can't conceive what 4x the power is like.
Of course! Great knowledgeI'm sure it's a fantastic car, and I probably will have to hand in my PH badge, but my present car at 184bhp hybrid is the most powerful and fastest to 0-60 car that I have had. Beats my V6 Saab 900 and 2.3 LPT Saab 9000 (just). I can't conceive what 4x the power is like.
otolith said:
I absolutely see the point of a V8 over the Tesla, even though it’s slower, but this - no soundtrack, no manual (not that AMGs ever had one, but it’s a thing EVs don’t have), heavier, slower. Better looking and probably a more expensive feeling and more conventional interior, but the drivetrain seems an exercise in pointlessness.
I'd actually really dislike being a car manufacturer in many ways currently. I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like full EVs have really taken off yet(too expensive for many people I think). Plus you still have manufacturers faffing around with cars that are stuck bang in the middle like this one...as in "are we going full electric or are we staying with an ICE?"Nobody seems to know where the balance is.
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd actually really dislike being a car manufacturer in many ways currently. I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like full EVs have really taken off yet(too expensive for many people I think). Plus you still have manufacturers faffing around with cars that are stuck bang in the middle like this one...as in "are we going full electric or are we staying with an ICE?"
Nobody seems to know where the balance is.
I guess they’re struggling to find a way to continue to monetise a sub-brand based pretty much entirely on its ICEs. Nobody seems to know where the balance is.
Sure it’ll be immense and ‘better’ than all previous generations.
But is it special…. Starts to bring in a similar question to EVs - are you just buying a badge now- where is the specialness, the USP.
Can fake an authentic AMG sound all you like…. But a real rumble of a V8 That was a key if not principle attribute.
I know not much Mercedes can do- but it is not the same.
But is it special…. Starts to bring in a similar question to EVs - are you just buying a badge now- where is the specialness, the USP.
Can fake an authentic AMG sound all you like…. But a real rumble of a V8 That was a key if not principle attribute.
I know not much Mercedes can do- but it is not the same.
Markytee said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Water Fairy said:
sjc said:
Surely it's a C20 not a C63?...
Nomenclature hasn't meant a damn thing for a good while nowAudi A3 4.0 TDI anyone?
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