RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled
Discussion
otolith said:
All that technical complexity to achieve 2,111kg, 680bhp, and a fake soundtrack.
"Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself"
Why bother?
I think this raises an interesting point, in a world where EV's deliver eye watering performance, why would you choose an AMG, M badge, RS etc? "Vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself"
Why bother?
My feeling is that these cars will exist because of the theatre that comes with the driving experience, not the outright performance. Not convinced that a 4pot turbo with extra hybrid will invoke those same sensations as the big engine predecessors.
Cars like plaid, taycan turbo S, lucid air and various evolutions will set the benchmark for 4 door out and out performance.
I like the exterior styling of this and would be quite happy with it just being a simple 2 litre engine with around 400 bhp, more than adequate. It's a massively overpriced, weighty, overly complicated tech fest which is largely superfluous! The screens on the dash and central display just look cheap and cheerful, poorly designed. If this is 90 grand, what exactly am I paying for?
Will probably be fun for about a week, then you’ll get bored and wonder why you’ve spent 90k on a 40k car.
No smiles when you start it up in the morning, lots of pointless modes, too many screens and when it’s 3 years old Mercedes will probably want about 10k/year to extend the warranty because it’s so over complicated.
With regard to screens, is it going to be like razors, 3 blades!, 5 blades!, where manufacturers try to outdo each other with more and more screens and we’ll end up surrounded by pointless screens in our cars?
I honestly don’t know why they didn’t just go electric for this, the engine just adds weight and complexity for no gain in desirability.
No smiles when you start it up in the morning, lots of pointless modes, too many screens and when it’s 3 years old Mercedes will probably want about 10k/year to extend the warranty because it’s so over complicated.
With regard to screens, is it going to be like razors, 3 blades!, 5 blades!, where manufacturers try to outdo each other with more and more screens and we’ll end up surrounded by pointless screens in our cars?
I honestly don’t know why they didn’t just go electric for this, the engine just adds weight and complexity for no gain in desirability.
eddieantifreeze said:
I think this raises an interesting point, in a world where EV's deliver eye watering performance, why would you choose an AMG, M badge, RS etc?
My feeling is that these cars will exist because of the theatre that comes with the driving experience, not the outright performance. Not convinced that a 4pot turbo with extra hybrid will invoke those same sensations as the big engine predecessors.
Cars like plaid, taycan turbo S, lucid air and various evolutions will set the benchmark for 4 door out and out performance.
Hmm this is a £80/£90k car…… the plaid, taycan TS etc are all £150k so there is a difference….. next gen of M, RS etc will no doubt be EV. Range is handy for now too with this…. My friend managed a spectacular 170 miles in his taycan the other day which left him with some decent range anxiety.My feeling is that these cars will exist because of the theatre that comes with the driving experience, not the outright performance. Not convinced that a 4pot turbo with extra hybrid will invoke those same sensations as the big engine predecessors.
Cars like plaid, taycan turbo S, lucid air and various evolutions will set the benchmark for 4 door out and out performance.
whp1983 said:
Hmm this is a £80/£90k car…… the plaid, taycan TS etc are all £150k so there is a difference….. next gen of M, RS etc will no doubt be EV. Range is handy for now too with this…. My friend managed a spectacular 170 miles in his taycan the other day which left him with some decent range anxiety.
This compares to the standard model S, Plaid is 50% more power again. I have the 6.2l W204 C63, and cant bring myself to get rid of it. This sort of thing makes me want to keep it much longer.
I always look at cars that have to mimic engine noise and play it over the speakers as a bit lame really. And taking about this 10 seconds at max bhp boost, how long does that take to charge up again at motor way speeds or is it only under braking? What does that mean? you only get one good burst of overtake acceleration then its slower next time? That will be fun, pulling out to overtake then realising that you're out of charge...
I always look at cars that have to mimic engine noise and play it over the speakers as a bit lame really. And taking about this 10 seconds at max bhp boost, how long does that take to charge up again at motor way speeds or is it only under braking? What does that mean? you only get one good burst of overtake acceleration then its slower next time? That will be fun, pulling out to overtake then realising that you're out of charge...
I'm sure it's not a bad car. However I'm struggling to see what this is.
Is it a c350e on steroids?
The reason a c350e or most other plug in hybrids exist is for low BIK tax or as a EV without range anxiety.
So definitely not that.
Is it a traditional mad AMG C class. Well no, it's a 4pot, 2.1 ton over complicated tech fest.
So it has little upsides of a traditional AMG. The soul of an EV without the benefits of a EV.
I can see the media and YouTube'ist lapping up the stats, but in the real world the appeal will grow stale.
Is it a c350e on steroids?
The reason a c350e or most other plug in hybrids exist is for low BIK tax or as a EV without range anxiety.
So definitely not that.
Is it a traditional mad AMG C class. Well no, it's a 4pot, 2.1 ton over complicated tech fest.
So it has little upsides of a traditional AMG. The soul of an EV without the benefits of a EV.
I can see the media and YouTube'ist lapping up the stats, but in the real world the appeal will grow stale.
PH said:
AMG has 680 reasons why you still might regret ordering an M3 Touring...
I have 6 reasons why I'd prefer the M3, and they are arranged one behind the other under its bonnet.I'm sure they'll sell loads of these, but I agree they'll be a warranty nightmare. As well as the complexity there's battery degradation, which means the electric bits get gradually less useful as time wears on.
Edited by aestivator on Thursday 22 September 09:00
otolith said:
WY86 said:
Because they are the motoring equivalent of a Patagonia fleece.
Tesla are also gimmick ridden and also extremely ugly.
Substitute something electric made in the Fatherland if you prefer, it’s still not much heavier than this (ah, that German engineering, eh?)Tesla are also gimmick ridden and also extremely ugly.
B. haven’t they got the mother of all Tesla gigafactories in Berlin anyway
Draxindustries1 said:
Disaster of a car that no one will want once out of warranty . A big money pit waiting to open up that no one even Merc will be able to fix.
The C63 related to engine size, this is a very very heavy C20e
Agree with this.The C63 related to engine size, this is a very very heavy C20e
Start up at best you'll hear a wet fart of a noise, no V8 flare on start up, then you pull away (very swiftly going by the numbers) but there'll be none of that induction or just feeling of displacement.
This is coming from someone who has 6.2 N/A & 4.7TT Mercedes V8's.
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