RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

C70R said:

This article is absolutely perfect 'forum frothing' bait. It's got everything to let PHers roll out their new car cliches.

- V8 being replaced by a 4cyl
- Hybrid tech
- A heavier new model
- Turbo over NA
- A high price tag

Just perfection, PH. You're nailing it.

I think you need to learn what a cliché actually is.

[C70R]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

C70R said:

This article is absolutely perfect 'forum frothing' bait. It's got everything to let PHers roll out their new car cliches.

- V8 being replaced by a 4cyl
- Hybrid tech
- A heavier new model
- Turbo over NA
- A high price tag

Just perfection, PH. You're nailing it.

I think you need to learn what a cliché actually is.

It means "a phrase or opinion that is overused and betrays a lack of original thought."

Which covers about 90% of the response to this article.

"I cAn'T bElIEvE iT's NoT a V8 AnY mOrE. mErC hAvE lOsT mY bUsInEsS."

It's almost like PH editorial team know exactly which buttons to push to get people rolling out the tired, old tropes.

(PS - "trope: a significant or recurrent theme")

[C70R]

Fady said:

C70R said:

This article is absolutely perfect 'forum frothing' bait. It's got everything to let PHers roll out their new car cliches.

- V8 being replaced by a 4cyl
- Hybrid tech
- A heavier new model
- Turbo over NA
- A high price tag

Just perfection, PH. You're nailing it.

Thing is - no one has driven one and there are no reviews of it being driven. Proof of the pudding and all that!

Almost none of the people posting in this thread can afford to buy one either, so most will never actually find out.

[otolith]

C70R said:

Almost none of the people posting in this thread can afford to buy one either, so most will never actually find out.

Lots of PH'ers running older ones, though. They do depreciate.

[NomduJour]

Two identical cars - one is a hybrid 4 cylinder that sounds like a 1970s Hoover being fed 480V when it isn’t playing video game noises at you, the other has a thumping V8 which sounds awesome. Both are powerful, both are fast.

Which do you prefer?

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

C70R said:

Fady said:

C70R said:

This article is absolutely perfect 'forum frothing' bait. It's got everything to let PHers roll out their new car cliches.

- V8 being replaced by a 4cyl
- Hybrid tech
- A heavier new model
- Turbo over NA
- A high price tag

Just perfection, PH. You're nailing it.

Thing is - no one has driven one and there are no reviews of it being driven. Proof of the pudding and all that!

Almost none of the people posting in this thread can afford to buy one either, so most will never actually find out.

Plenty of people on here have or have had C63s. Many people have also gone from a car with a V8 to a 4 cylinder, and/or a hybrid. Many have also driven heavier and lighter cards, likewise for having driven both turbocharged and NA engines. All of which they can base an opinion.

We know what this 4 pot will sound like, and we know what the V8 sounds like - fair to make a comment. It will weigh more, we know that heavier cars are generally less thrilling to throw around the corners and can numb the feel of a car - fair to make a comment. Many people prefer the characteristics (noise, power delivery/curve etc) of a NA engine vs turbocharged. So why is it unreasonable to base comments on these things? When new, lighter cars get released, they often get praised here.

[biggbn]

I'm still smarting from when Cadillac went from a V16 to a paltry V8. Pathetic teeny engines.

[DMZ]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Plenty of people on here have or have had C63s. Many people have also gone from a car with a V8 to a 4 cylinder, and/or a hybrid. Many have also driven heavier and lighter cards, likewise for having driven both turbocharged and NA engines. All of which they can base an opinion.

We know what this 4 pot will sound like, and we know what the V8 sounds like - fair to make a comment. It will weigh more, we know that heavier cars are generally less thrilling to throw around the corners and can numb the feel of a car - fair to make a comment. Many people prefer the characteristics (noise, power delivery/curve etc) of a NA engine vs turbocharged. So why is it unreasonable to base comments on these things? When new, lighter cars get released, they often get praised here.

I’m pretty sure nobody has ever driven a car with a drivetrain like the C63, though. It could be utter rubbish of course but I’m nearly certain the usual simplistic commentary doesn’t apply as it’s anything but simplistic. I see ingredients that could yield an interesting result. If not, there’s always the naturally aspired AMG V8 of yesteryear which was a masterpiece.

[otolith]

DMZ said:

I’m pretty sure nobody has ever driven a car with a drivetrain like the C63, though. It could be utter rubbish of course but I’m nearly certain the usual simplistic commentary doesn’t apply as it’s anything but simplistic. I see ingredients that could yield an interesting result. If not, there’s always the naturally aspired AMG V8 of yesteryear which was a masterpiece.

Mercedes have been selling a C class with a hybridised 2.0 turbo four for some time now. This is obviously turned up to 11, but it's not exactly radical.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/mercedes/c-clas...
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/mercedes...

[D4rez]

NomduJour said:

Two identical cars - one is a hybrid 4 cylinder that sounds like a 1970s Hoover being fed 480V when it isn’t playing video game noises at you, the other has a thumping V8 which sounds awesome. Both are powerful, both are fast.

Which do you prefer?

Well you can only buy one of them new, so I guess it comes down to priorities. In a couple of years time sub £100k V8s basically won’t exist. Plenty of old cars for people who really can’t get over downsizing/electrification

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

DMZ said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Plenty of people on here have or have had C63s. Many people have also gone from a car with a V8 to a 4 cylinder, and/or a hybrid. Many have also driven heavier and lighter cards, likewise for having driven both turbocharged and NA engines. All of which they can base an opinion.

We know what this 4 pot will sound like, and we know what the V8 sounds like - fair to make a comment. It will weigh more, we know that heavier cars are generally less thrilling to throw around the corners and can numb the feel of a car - fair to make a comment. Many people prefer the characteristics (noise, power delivery/curve etc) of a NA engine vs turbocharged. So why is it unreasonable to base comments on these things? When new, lighter cars get released, they often get praised here.

I’m pretty sure nobody has ever driven a car with a drivetrain like the C63, though. It could be utter rubbish of course but I’m nearly certain the usual simplistic commentary doesn’t apply as it’s anything but simplistic. I see ingredients that could yield an interesting result. If not, there’s always the naturally aspired AMG V8 of yesteryear which was a masterpiece.

We have seen several AMG hybrids (e.g. in the GT 4 door), all reviews of that car that I've seen basically say "the non-hybrid V8 is the more enjoyable one to use". We know what the A45 engine is like (bonkers performance, sounds crap - in my opinion). Merc have numerous other hybrids in their range too (e.g. E53). Aside from more performance, in terms of character, is it wild to assume that it will be fairly similar in terms of how it goes about its business compared to the other AMG hybrid cars? I have no doubt it'll be a stonker in terms of performance, but for me, I feel we were past that usable performance in many cars a long time ago, so (again, for me) it comes down to character, noise and theatre. I don't think anyone would assume this would offer more of that than the old V8.

I might be wrong, and I'll be very happy if I am, but I'm confident I won't be.

That's before we get to the fact it's a few hundred kgs heavier....

[DMZ]

otolith said:

Mercedes have been selling a C class with a hybridised 2.0 turbo four for some time now. This is obviously turned up to 11, but it's not exactly radical.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/mercedes/c-clas...
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/mercedes...

Thankfully for AMG, I disagree.

[Draxindustries1]

Derventio said:

If Mercedes could just make it sound like a tuned BDA on a Welsh Rally stage, im in.

Nothing, absolutely nothing will ever sound like that again. Even better is a BDG on twin 45 Webers at 9k rpm
One step further ,Ford/ Cosworth 3.4 GAA with Kugelfischer mechanical injection...epic...I miss my Capri so much..

[Leon R]

DMZ said:

otolith said:

Mercedes have been selling a C class with a hybridised 2.0 turbo four for some time now. This is obviously turned up to 11, but it's not exactly radical.

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/mercedes/c-clas...
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/mercedes...

Thankfully for AMG, I disagree.

Planning on getting one?

[C70R]

D4rez said:

In a couple of years time sub £100k V8s basically won’t exist.

This is amazing.

[D4rez]

C70R said:

D4rez said:

In a couple of years time sub £100k V8s basically won’t exist.

This is amazing.

Whoops, meant new cars

[beresd]

I am confused (in the way that i am not, just pointing out nonsense)

The 63 represented the 6.3l engine...this is a 2 litre engine so surely it should be C20?

What is '63' about it?

[911hope]

beresd said:

I am confused (in the way that i am not, just pointing out nonsense)

The 63 represented the 6.3l engine...this is a 2 litre engine so surely it should be C20?

What is '63' about it?

Outgoing model was not 6.3l

New car seems like interesting engineering. Let's see what it actually like.

[mat205125]

I'm under no illusion that this is the future, or any doubt that this will be a staggering tool to enjoy, but that won't stop me being saddened that this is the way of things from here on.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

beresd said:

I am confused (in the way that i am not, just pointing out nonsense)

The 63 represented the 6.3l engine...this is a 2 litre engine so surely it should be C20?

What is '63' about it?

The outgoing model was a 4 litre. The model before that was a 6.2. It has never had a 6.3. Did you also say the same about the A45 which doesn't have a 4.5? Or the old S600 which had a 5.5? Or the old x500 models which were a 4.7?