RE: New 2.0-litre Mercedes-AMG C63 officially unveiled

[cerb4.5lee]

otolith said:

Driving back from picking up the new car (335d) OH commented (unusually for her, she’s not a car person) that it sounds good. It does, for a diesel. Suspiciously so, especially in Sport mode. Because it’s faking it. I kind of wish I didn’t know, but also kind of don’t care. But I suppose at some level of enhancement, maybe a Tesla making V12 noises or something, you have to think “hang on, this is just childish”.

The 640d was the same in Sport mode too, and it did a good job of sounding very similar to a nice petrol V8 I thought.

The engine/gearbox combo in the 335d are great I reckon.

Enjoy your new motor.

[otolith]

cerb4.5lee said:

otolith said:

Driving back from picking up the new car (335d) OH commented (unusually for her, she’s not a car person) that it sounds good. It does, for a diesel. Suspiciously so, especially in Sport mode. Because it’s faking it. I kind of wish I didn’t know, but also kind of don’t care. But I suppose at some level of enhancement, maybe a Tesla making V12 noises or something, you have to think “hang on, this is just childish”.

The 640d was the same in Sport mode too, and it did a good job of sounding very similar to a nice petrol V8 I thought.

The engine/gearbox combo in the 335d are great I reckon.

Enjoy your new motor.

Thanks - haven't driven it very much yet, but so far so good. More fun to drive than the E class it replaced, obviously down a few points on comfort, practicality and refinement, but a good compromise.

[Marcus-7tcc2]

People buy AMG's mainly for a couple of reasons: Power and NOISE. They are supposed to be bombastic and exciting. When you have anew model and they are putting speakers on the outside (and crucially in the exhausts) you can see the instant red flags ie the noise will be fake.
Doesnt matter what you do a 2 litre 4 pot is a small engine and will sound crummy. I briefly had the A45 AMG and it was a farce. Terrible car that sounded weak.
Thats before we get to the weight.....2100 kgs?! It needs that overboost (note that 680 bhp isnt there all the time...) just to get it shifting. Weight is a serious problem.
It looks great (AMG and Audi styling are mostly bang on-BMW? increasingly shocking) and the tech will be complex but long live the V8's...hopefully they will increase in value now (says me with an E63s).

[belleair302]

[JD]

There are a few "first drives" up on YouTube, but only from the passenger seat perspective.

There is something very odd about them that I can't quite work out, they appear to be very unforthcoming about demonstrating the actual performance?

[ledz]

Anyone thinking about ordering a c63 ? I’d go the estate version

[sanguinary]

ledz said:

Anyone thinking about ordering a c63 ? I’d go the estate version

I already have one that will do me just fine.

[Rich Boy Spanner]

I can't take fake engine and exhaust sounds in any way seriously. It's completely ludicrous. A good engine sounds good in its own right.

[sanguinary]

Rich Boy Spanner said:

I can't take fake engine and exhaust sounds in any way seriously. It's completely ludicrous. A good engine sounds good in its own right.

Indeed. I'm sure the car will be very good indeed. I know why Merc have had to do this to - V8s are dinosaurs now. However, for me, anything fake will just dampen the enjoyment. I guess it will appeal to the youngsters in our digital age though.

[Funkstar De Luxe]

I suspect the regular person couldn't tell you how many cylinders their car has, never mind anything else. It's got the badge, it's expensive, it will sell.

This is the mentality that's killing the enthusiast market.

Ask Porsche if they had trouble selling the 4 cylinder Cayman/Boxster

[otolith]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

I suspect the regular person couldn't tell you how many cylinders their car has, never mind anything else.

This is generally true, but do regular people buy these things?

[ChocolateFrog]

Funkstar De Luxe said:

I suspect the regular person couldn't tell you how many cylinders their car has, never mind anything else. It's got the badge, it's expensive, it will sell.

This is the mentality that's killing the enthusiast market.

Ask Porsche if they had trouble selling the 4 cylinder Cayman/Boxster

It would be interesting to ask current C/E63 owners how many cylinders their car has.

I'd be surprised if more than half of owners gave the correct answer.

[otolith]

ChocolateFrog said:

It would be interesting to ask current C/E63 owners how many cylinders their car has.

I'd be surprised if more than half of owners gave the correct answer.

I suppose that depends whether they have ever pondered what the "V8" badges on the car mean.

[Marcus-7tcc2]

otolith said:

ChocolateFrog said:

It would be interesting to ask current C/E63 owners how many cylinders their car has.

I'd be surprised if more than half of owners gave the correct answer.

I suppose that depends whether they have ever pondered what the "V8" badges on the car mean.

Not really and not being geeky I don't really care! They go like a rabid dog when you want it to and sounds glorious. Handles brilliantly as well and scares much more expensive cars and small children etc. Not bad for a nigh on 2 ton barge.
The whole 2 litre 4 cyl issue is it doesn't actually matter what you do with it-it will still sound rubbish (AMG's USP until now it seems). Piping noise in is pretty much like fake filtering on social media. I'm sure it will be a weapon (albeit a heavy one) but will it have the character of the older one?
hopefully it won't be like the A45 where you have to rev it to the max to get on boost just to get the wheels moving. Fine for 'look at me' chav toolbags but for anyone else you feel, well, like a toolbag.

[ZX10R NIN]

Just saw a C63 advert & even the noise on the advert is fake, sounds like a 6 pot.

[Wills2]

cerb4.5lee said:

otolith said:

Driving back from picking up the new car (335d) OH commented (unusually for her, she’s not a car person) that it sounds good. It does, for a diesel. Suspiciously so, especially in Sport mode. Because it’s faking it. I kind of wish I didn’t know, but also kind of don’t care. But I suppose at some level of enhancement, maybe a Tesla making V12 noises or something, you have to think “hang on, this is just childish”.

The 640d was the same in Sport mode too, and it did a good job of sounding very similar to a nice petrol V8 I thought.

The engine/gearbox combo in the 335d are great I reckon.

Enjoy your new motor.

As it's his new car, I'll keep my thoughts to myself, as you would if it was an e92 M3

[cerb4.5lee]

Wills2 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

otolith said:

Driving back from picking up the new car (335d) OH commented (unusually for her, she’s not a car person) that it sounds good. It does, for a diesel. Suspiciously so, especially in Sport mode. Because it’s faking it. I kind of wish I didn’t know, but also kind of don’t care. But I suppose at some level of enhancement, maybe a Tesla making V12 noises or something, you have to think “hang on, this is just childish”.

The 640d was the same in Sport mode too, and it did a good job of sounding very similar to a nice petrol V8 I thought.

The engine/gearbox combo in the 335d are great I reckon.

Enjoy your new motor.

As it's his new car, I'll keep my thoughts to myself, as you would if it was an e92 M3

[otolith]

Wills2 said:

As it's his new car, I'll keep my thoughts to myself, as you would if it was an e92 M3

Nah, it’s just the family bus, too big and heavy for my entertainment, but very good at what it does.

[cerb4.5lee]

otolith said:

Wills2 said:

As it's his new car, I'll keep my thoughts to myself, as you would if it was an e92 M3

Nah, it’s just the family bus, too big and heavy for my entertainment, but very good at what it does.

Wills never got on with the engine in his 335d Touring...whereas I never got on with the engine in the E92 M3, and I think that was all that he was alluding to.

[otolith]

I know, I’ve seen the history

I mean I’m not precious about it. It’s a head car, not a heart car. The E350 CDI had to go, not ULEZ. Didn’t want another Merc, last one was a lemon, didn’t need quite as large a car this time, didn’t necessarily need an estate, just a 5 door with a lot of rear space and folding seats. Didn’t want four cylinders, front drive, manual. Did want some poke, reasonable economy, reasonable comfort, refinement, not to handle like a complete boat nor to ride like tea tray down a staircase, choice of examples.

It was actually settled by an afternoon at a car supermarket with a shortlist, but could have arrived at F34 335d by spreadsheet.