RE: Audi A8 LWB W12 | The Brave Pill

RE: Audi A8 LWB W12 | The Brave Pill

Saturday 29th October 2022

Audi A8 LWB W12 | The Brave Pill

The Conti's lesser-spotted cousin also packs a dozen...


While Shed of the Week’s value-based selection criteria often brings it back to the same type of car – Tony narrowly missing out on what would have been his fourth Jaguar S-Type of the year yesterday – Brave Pill tries to bring something new and fresh every week, even if the car in question is used and slightly wrinkly. But that desire for exclusivity does often mean the need to wait for rarer potential Pills to enter the classifieds.

Here’s one that’s been wearing out the ‘Find Your Next Car’ box since the column started: an Audi A8 W12. There aren’t many out there and they don’t come up very often, especially not looking as enticing as the one you see here. This is a car whose very existence only makes sense in the context of the collective madness that gripped the upper reaches of the German car industry in the early years of the century. And even then, not a great deal of sense.

Put simply, there is no rational reason for the W12-powered A8 to exist. Even without it the D3-generation Audi A8 already possessed what was probably the most top-endy range of engines of any saloon in history. Buyers opting for petrol could choose between two V6s, two V8s and the 5.0-litre V10 that powered the S8. This 10-cylinder made 444hp and 398lb ft of torque, and it’s hard to imagine any potential buyer turning it down for not being exotic enough.

But that’s clearly what Audi feared would happen – because Mercedes and BMW were both offering V12 engines in the equivalent S-Class and 7 Series. The naturally aspirated 6.0-litre W12 that Volkswagen had created for the Phaeton had been fitted to the earlier D2 generation A8 for a couple of years. So the company decided to continue to offer it in this one, despite the fact that its peak 444hp output was identical to that of the forthcoming V10, and the W12’s maximum 428 lb ft of torque only slightly higher. Audi quoted identical performance figures for both cars: a 5.1-second 0-62mph time and an electronically limited 155mph top speed.

So Audi had basically spent many millions of Euros on development and homologation to give the richest A8 buyers the choice of different exhaust soundtracks. More confusing was the fact that the W12 wasn’t actually better in any obvious regard than the S8 beyond its sparkplug tally and enhanced asking price. I never got to drive one in period, which is a telling detail given that Audi used to run the biggest press fleet in the country. 

But journalists on the original W12 launch in Germany reported that the car was both less agile and – more surprisingly – less refined than the 4.2-litre V8 that sat below it in the hierarchy before the S8 arrived in 2006. The W12 was also seriously more expensive, too – a £79,800 list in 2008 made it the priciest car in the range, ten grand more than the S8 and three grand over the freshly launched R8. 

A few private buyers did take the bait, but Audi itself was almost certainly the W12’s best customer in the UK. A significant percentage of the cars that made it here were first registered by the company itself to act as executive limousines, this being the period when a Z-lister heading to the TV Quick awards could blag a chauffeured Audi for the ride so the car would be seen in the red carpet shots. At one time there were apparently more than 100 cars for these PR shindigs, many of which were A8s and a few of which would always have been the 12-cylinder. Our Pill may well have started life as one of them.

Although it is hard to look at so much car wearing a £12,000 price tag without seeing a bargain, that figure does represent something close to the top of current D3 asking prices. When we featured an S8 in December 2017 it was up for just seven grand, although that was with the additional risk of having covered 150,000 miles and sitting on a set of low-grade Ditchfinder tyres which caused controversy in the comments. 

Based on the limited photographic evidence of just five images, this W12 seems far nicer. The black-looking paint is apparently actually a very rare shade of Cherry Pearl metallic, and there is a purplish tinge to it. The interior looks similarly enticing with its dark walnut finish, this hiding the pop-up display screen for the sat nav which rises out of the top of the dash – a level of high-tech magic that used to pretty much draw crowds of onlookers when the car was new. The selling dealer also reports the car the upgraded Bang & Olufsen audio system which was a highly desirable option, plus a full service history – although the exact details of that will require some further research by any potential buyers.

The recent MOT history is as green as a Celtic-Hibs cup final with three advisory-free passes in three years, although each was just a couple of thousand miles apart. Given the W12 is on full whack road tax, £630 at present, that means keeping it in VED will almost certainly have cost more than fuelling it, even with an official combined economy of just 20.8mpg. But nothing on one of these is going to be cheap, with chunky routine maintenance bills and the doubtless expensive thrills of sorting out faults and failures.

But you can look at it another way. Our Pill is basically running a non-turbocharged version of the Bentley W12, and you’re not going to get a half-decent Continental or Flying Spur for anything like £12,000. Yes, the S8 might be just as fast and dynamically better – but nothing succeeds like excess, does it?


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Master Bean

Original Poster:

3,640 posts

121 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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I'd buy in but would need to employ a chauffeur to drive it. Anybody want to offer?

yme402

396 posts

103 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Text Book Brave Pill - love it!
Second to post this week on Brave Pill so silver medal for me.

drpep

1,759 posts

169 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Can think of many better places for £12k but if luxury is your goal and you want a fuel mortgage, this is your ticket!

Dombilano

1,159 posts

56 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Every LWB version of a car looks like it was the result of a paper jam in the printer, as it was printing the rear doors.

Unreal

3,546 posts

26 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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I'm strangely attracted to this but fortunately I filled my last bit of space with another car only last week so it can't be done. It's the equivalent of the type of car I've always liked, typically an XJ12 or Daimler Double Six. Good find PH.

Rob 131 Sport

2,570 posts

53 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Dombilano said:
Every LWB version of a car looks like it was the result of a paper jam in the printer, as it was printing the rear doors.
beer I’m with you on this, I’ve never liked the LWB version of anything. This model of A8 was a great looking car and a V12 would be interesting.

In reality however I and I suspect most people would prefer a SWB V6 Diesel.

Slowlygettingit

653 posts

42 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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I really like that colour as I am assuming it’s the same as one I saw in a dealership many years ago.
Looks normally black in typical light then the sun comes out and the cherry hue really pops.
It’s the colour I’d love an e9 csi in if the lotto numbers ever drop.

Earl of Petrol

508 posts

123 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Master Bean said:
I'd buy in but would need to employ a chauffeur to drive it. Anybody want to offer?
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur

nobrakes

3,009 posts

199 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Earl of Petrol said:
Master Bean said:
I'd buy in but would need to employ a chauffeur to drive it. Anybody want to offer?
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
That’s a thread topic if it’s own.

Great Pill.

Draxindustries1

1,657 posts

24 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Audi should have left the wood trim to Triumph, fine on a Stag or 2500pi but not this thing ,looks pretty gash.
Really can't see why anyone would want this, it's just another very bland VAG product with time bomb mechanical and electricals

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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The Transporter car.

Like these irrespective of the films.

sideways man

1,324 posts

138 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Earl of Petrol said:
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
Oooh! Yes please. Preferably from The Avengers era, though I’m not too fussy.

FlukePlay

954 posts

146 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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An amazing amount of car for the money with a very good spec. It would be good to see the service history, set aside a fund for 2 years ownership and hopefully this cherry doesn't go pop. I like this.

tomic

720 posts

146 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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I have a very basic 2.8 A8 D3 as my daily runaround at the moment. It has the same air suspension as this and runs on 17" alloys.

I'm sure this is a much nicer car than mine, but mine doesn't have the best ride on tiny wheels with massive profile tyres. I can't imagine this one is particularly comfortable on those huge wheels.

Edited by tomic on Saturday 29th October 11:47

Augustus Windsock

3,384 posts

156 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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sideways man said:
Earl of Petrol said:
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
Oooh! Yes please. Preferably from The Avengers era, though I’m not too fussy.
Now that would be class!
Although if almost he tempted to say “I’ll see your Joanna Lumley, and raise you Julie Christie from the same period…”!

Drinksleeprepeat

139 posts

48 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Augustus Windsock said:
sideways man said:
Earl of Petrol said:
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
Oooh! Yes please. Preferably from The Avengers era, though I’m not too fussy.
Now that would be class!
Although if almost he tempted to say “I’ll see your Joanna Lumley, and raise you Julie Christie from the same period…”!
Don’t forget Diana Rigg in the same era or even Audrey Hepburn

Tin Hat

1,380 posts

210 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Drinksleeprepeat said:
Augustus Windsock said:
sideways man said:
Earl of Petrol said:
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
Oooh! Yes please. Preferably from The Avengers era, though I’m not too fussy.
Now that would be class!
Although if almost he tempted to say “I’ll see your Joanna Lumley, and raise you Julie Christie from the same period…”!
Don’t forget Diana Rigg in the same era
I am firmly with you on that suggestion, you could also use her Elan when the circumstances suited

Drinksleeprepeat

139 posts

48 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Augustus Windsock said:
sideways man said:
Earl of Petrol said:
I’d have Joanna Lumley as my chauffeur
Oooh! Yes please. Preferably from The Avengers era, though I’m not too fussy.
Now that would be class!
Although if almost he tempted to say “I’ll see your Joanna Lumley, and raise you Julie Christie from the same period…”!
Don’t forget Diana Rigg in the same era or even Audrey Hepburn

BIRMA

3,813 posts

195 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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Great Luxo Barges, I was about to PX my V10 Phaeton for this one at Audi South London. Unfortunately my Phaeton went pop the day before and it was terminal plus the PX deal was very good but it had to be a runner. So the deal didn't go through,
This one had the usual vented/cooled seats, ioniser, fridge between the back seats etc. My only criticism was that they didn't turbo charge the engine like in the Bentley. The later ones like this had a much better auto-box too.

FlukePlay

954 posts

146 months

Saturday 29th October 2022
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BIRMA said:
Great Luxo Barges, I was about to PX my V10 Phaeton for this one at Audi South London. Unfortunately my Phaeton went pop the day before and it was terminal plus the PX deal was very good but it had to be a runner. So the deal didn't go through,
This one had the usual vented/cooled seats, ioniser, fridge between the back seats etc. My only criticism was that they didn't turbo charge the engine like in the Bentley. The later ones like this had a much better auto-box too.
No way! How unlucky, I feel for you.