RE: 2023 INEOS Grenadier | PH Review

[Lester H]

Sway said:

Seeing a few around Chichester - perhaps half a dozen different vehicles in the area.

That's far more common than I'd have expected.

Try Harrogate if you want to spot a few more.

[vdn]

Lester H said:

First point: I like them. I was an early viewer but they were too dear for me; dropping now, though. Second , in response to the OP: I guess the target audience is any one they can entice. Just flicked through a very glossy ‘ lifestyle’ mag with ads for private schools, up market restaurants and gastropubs, kitchens ( pale blue and green are the new grey) and impossibly lovely houses, like you see crooks living in on TV detective dramas and what used to be called gown shops ….you know the kind of publication. The Grenadier ad was fascinating: stressing versatility, it showed a high end Grenadier, with snorkel, looking immaculate in what appeared to be a market town or even cathedral city: cobbles, a bit of parkland, and another shot outside some Georgian town houses. The driver looked like a twenty- something young woman, very slim in a kind of Barbour- chic outfit, marred only by the trainers, and outside a barber’s. “

Edited by Lester H on Friday 19th April 12:39

Edited by Lester H on Friday 19th April 17:24

So they've resorted to lifestyle brand, after all

[Lotobear]

Lots around Carlisle now (we do have a prominent outlet) and many do seem to be 'tools' rather than 'faux country set conveyances' - but in fairness this is not Harrogate or Cheshire, it's the real mud and boots countryside

I will confess I like them a lot, there's a certain functionality that appeals despite it's reported foibles.

[Familymad]

Bit pricy for the farmers I know in Borrowdale. D max and Hilux still king, in utility spec, with steelies.

[Mammasaid]

Lotobear said:

Lots around Carlisle now (we do have a prominent outlet) and many do seem to be 'tools' rather than 'faux country set conveyances' - but in fairness this is not Harrogate or Cheshire, it's the real mud and boots countryside

I will confess I like them a lot, there's a certain functionality that appeals despite it's reported foibles.

Only seen one or 2 down in Penrith, mostly driven by the usual suspects (have to have the latest shiny thing)

[Lotobear]

Mammasaid said:

Lotobear said:

Lots around Carlisle now (we do have a prominent outlet) and many do seem to be 'tools' rather than 'faux country set conveyances' - but in fairness this is not Harrogate or Cheshire, it's the real mud and boots countryside

I will confess I like them a lot, there's a certain functionality that appeals despite it's reported foibles.

Only seen one or 2 down in Penrith, mostly driven by the usual suspects (have to have the latest shiny thing)

...Penrith does as Penrith is

[Familymad]

It has a McDonalds too. Proper coming up in the world like, say, Workington.

I want to have a poke around the new LC when it hits the UK. But think the tonka toy looks and straight six might still win it for me on the Gren.

[wolfracesonic]

Lotobear said:

...Penrith does as Penrith is

Excellent tea rooms though…

[Mammasaid]

Familymad said:

It has a McDonalds too. Proper coming up in the world like, say, Workington.

I want to have a poke around the new LC when it hits the UK. But think the tonka toy looks and straight six might still win it for me on the Gren.

Hey, we've got a Tim Hortons, don'tcha know

wolfracesonic said:

Lotobear said:

...Penrith does as Penrith is

Excellent tea rooms though…

[pedant]Actually in Stoney Stratford, nr Milton Keynes.[/pedant]

[DonkeyApple]

wolfracesonic said:

Lotobear said:

...Penrith does as Penrith is

Excellent tea rooms though…

Not very lively though. They ideally need something like a jukebox, at a guess.

[silentbrown]

Update for April, and switching to a graph.


Blue is cars, Red, LCV's. Bars are monthly, lines are totals.
We've now seen a full 12 months of UK deliveries.

[blearyeyedboy]

silentbrown said:

Update for April, and switching to a graph.


Blue is cars, Red, LCV's. Bars are monthly, lines are totals.
We've now seen a full 12 months of UK deliveries.

That looks like the sales charts for, say, the Cadillac BLS. It's not looking great.

Any idea how other markets are doing?

[M11rph]

The first I've spotted in the wild. Leamington Spa.

With some mud on it. Looked good.

[soxboy]

I’ve seen a number round here, although it perhaps helps having dealers in close proximity.

Saw one the other day covered in crud towing a sheep trailer to the local auction, so at least one farmer has bought one.

[sisu]

blearyeyedboy said:

silentbrown said:

Update for April, and switching to a graph.


Blue is cars, Red, LCV's. Bars are monthly, lines are totals.
We've now seen a full 12 months of UK deliveries.

That looks like the sales charts for, say, the Cadillac BLS. It's not looking great.

Any idea how other markets are doing?

Well it depends.. if we are taking our most positive view, the 2024 allocations for America of 7000 have sold out. So if you order a Ineos in America, then you will have to wait until the 2025.

Sales have started in Australia and Europe and meh yeah its selling in very low numbers, hundreds or double digits. Also this also has to be viewed in their target of producing 30,000 per year. To put that into context that is 600 cars a week or 2400 a month.
So if America is 7000, you could rationally build all of these in Q1 and be shipping them like Lotus are doing, to make shipping and federalisation simpler. As the British market should be their deepest only selling 5 cars a week after a year for a production car is not good, its what I would expect of say a small sports car company, like Alpine, Morgan who build 400 cars a year.

[Snow and Rocks]

Will be interesting to see if there's a bump now the commercial versions are tax deductible.

Also curious about the strong American sales - the reviews from over there also seem far more positive. I wonder if that's just because the reviewers are more used to driving this type of vehicle rather than spending most of their lives reviewing Qashqais and the like.

[blearyeyedboy]

sisu said:

Well it depends.. if we are taking our most positive view, the 2024 allocations for America of 7000 have sold out. So if you order a Ineos in America, then you will have to wait until the 2025.

That seems dramatically better than the UK picture!
Clearly the tax burden in some countries is off-putting, and it'll be interesting to see whether the commercial version changes that.

[DonkeyApple]

Snow and Rocks said:

Will be interesting to see if there's a bump now the commercial versions are tax deductible.

Also curious about the strong American sales - the reviews from over there also seem far more positive. I wonder if that's just because the reviewers are more used to driving this type of vehicle rather than spending most of their lives reviewing Qashqais and the like.

400m population. Largest truck market in the world. Most affluent nation on the planet. Millions of miles of unpaved tracks. Huey related Vietnam flashbacks. Heavily medicated. And very clearly the sort of vehicle Jesus would have driven.

[NomduJour]

DonkeyApple said:

And very clearly the sort of vehicle Jesus would have driven.

Driving one is surely the very embodiment of his suffering. All praise to Jim.

[Bill]

DonkeyApple said:

400m population. Largest truck market in the world. Most affluent nation on the planet. Millions of miles of unpaved tracks. Huey related Vietnam flashbacks. Heavily medicated. And very clearly the sort of vehicle Jesus would have driven.

And soon to be seen tumbling down a rocky gulch most people would have driven round.