RE: Behold the new Ineos Grenadier pickup
Discussion
Sixpackpert said:
Speed addicted said:
Do they do pickups?
Does it matter if it fails to have a commercial vehicle benefit?Obviously having commercial status would open up the market far more.
To be honest I’d be buying a traditional pickup though.
Oh look, another Grenadier thread. Cue people getting cross about a car they were never going to buy in the first place.
Maybe you should write a strongly worded email to complain about the content you are enjoying for FREE. People moan endlessly about automotive journalism these days, but the reason the quality has gone down is because people don't want to pay for it.
spikyone said:
robemcdonald said:
Behold. Another ph article exclaiming behold!
Was just going to say the same thing. There’s a headline like that virtually every week. Ripping off Jeremy Clarkson circa 2006 wasn’t imaginative the first time…smilo996 said:
It's a pastiche of a cliche and perfect banner for brexit. Ineos boss now lives in Monaco, the vehicles are all designed and built by foreign..in foreign.
Yet brexit types (men, certain age with sunglasses in avatar) queuing up to try and talk it up.
The new Defender is more British than this and better and when the original would have ened up if it had been developed in parallel with other JLR platforms.
What a silly thing to say. You do realise it's possible to believe in global trade and partnership with other nations/continents without believing that EU membership is essential? The two are not mutually exclusive. Yet brexit types (men, certain age with sunglasses in avatar) queuing up to try and talk it up.
The new Defender is more British than this and better and when the original would have ened up if it had been developed in parallel with other JLR platforms.
AKilb said:
If you want something sensible, get a Duster. If not, Drive the flag and get a JLR.
The Indian flag I assume?Mammasaid said:
Wadeski said:
Ooof....looks rough from the rear. Lights off a bus!
Double cabs sell well though, they should get this to the US ASAP...
But won't, google 'Chicken Tax'Double cabs sell well though, they should get this to the US ASAP...
What's the payload? if it's as heavy as the station wagon, it won't have the 1000kg payload to be classed as a commercial.
It won’t be able to carry 1000kg officially as the combined weight will put it overweight for most licenses (3500kg).
So HMRC won’t let U.K. companies claim the VAT back nor run it without seriously high BIK, same as the regular versions.
Ineos really have dropped a massive b
k on this.Sulphur Man said:
This could be winner but those rear lights......... How much design thought went into them? Answer: none.
As with the original Defender now the heritage model, then. Their rear lights look like a last minute purchase from Joe’s Trailers or Charlie’s Coachwork Caravans.spikyone said:
robemcdonald said:
Behold. Another ph article exclaiming behold!
Was just going to say the same thing. There’s a headline like that virtually every week. Ripping off Jeremy Clarkson circa 2006 wasn’t imaginative the first time…drmike37 said:
While I applaud the idea, especially if it works with commercial BIK rules, I personally am waiting to see a 7 seat station wagon. Could be the Defender 110 I want, but cheaper and more reliable....
As on the Ineos forum, it more than likely won't be approved for commercial BIK, not even the two seater van version is at present.Pflanzgarten said:
drmike37 said:
While I applaud the idea, especially if it works with commercial BIK rules, I personally am waiting to see a 7 seat station wagon. Could be the Defender 110 I want, but cheaper and more reliable....
As on the Ineos forum, it more than likely won't be approved for commercial BIK, not even the two seater van version is at present.smilo996 said:
It's a pastiche of a cliche and perfect banner for brexit. Ineos boss now lives in Monaco, the vehicles are all designed and built by foreign..in foreign.
Yet brexit types (men, certain age with sunglasses in avatar) queuing up to try and talk it up.
The new Defender is more British than this and better and when the original would have ened up if it had been developed in parallel with other JLR platforms.
If you were offered a fully working factory with experienced staff at a fire sale price wouldn't you take it?Yet brexit types (men, certain age with sunglasses in avatar) queuing up to try and talk it up.
The new Defender is more British than this and better and when the original would have ened up if it had been developed in parallel with other JLR platforms.
It's probably what made the difference between this being a viable project and just a rich man's rant.
The Monaco bit? The reason for that is pretty obvious too.
Funny thing is it is a British owned car company, unlike JLR. Ownership and nationality get very blurred these days.
Speed addicted said:
Pflanzgarten said:
drmike37 said:
While I applaud the idea, especially if it works with commercial BIK rules, I personally am waiting to see a 7 seat station wagon. Could be the Defender 110 I want, but cheaper and more reliable....
As on the Ineos forum, it more than likely won't be approved for commercial BIK, not even the two seater van version is at present.
It's interesting seeing the Grenadier go through the familiar PH "hero to zero" cycle to such a stark and extreme extent. Unless I've missed it there isn't a single positive comment in this thread. But the ones from early in the Grenadier's development cycle were gushing with wish-fulfilment and earnest declarations of intent to buy entire fleets of the things, while sceptics were denounced as Mumsnet-dwelling doom-mongers.
I though the GT86/BRZ had a hard landing in the world of reality on PH, but the cold shoulder given to the Grenadier is remarkable. And not without good reason, I hasten to add. It's a utilitarian, commercially-orientated 4x4 that can't viably be used commercially even in pick-up form.
I though the GT86/BRZ had a hard landing in the world of reality on PH, but the cold shoulder given to the Grenadier is remarkable. And not without good reason, I hasten to add. It's a utilitarian, commercially-orientated 4x4 that can't viably be used commercially even in pick-up form.
Mikebentley said:
I don’t wish failure on it. Is it just the UK regulations relating to tax etc that it just falls foul of? If so there is a whole rest of the world out there.
Nor do I, however they have rather shot themselves in the foot as regards the payload and the price. As for the rest of the world, it won't probably be sold in the USA due to the Chicken Tax. Go figure.2xChevrons said:
It's interesting seeing the Grenadier go through the familiar PH "hero to zero" cycle to such a stark and extreme extent. Unless I've missed it there isn't a single positive comment in this thread. But the ones from early in the Grenadier's development cycle were gushing with wish-fulfilment and earnest declarations of intent to buy entire fleets of the things, while sceptics were denounced as Mumsnet-dwelling doom-mongers.
I though the GT86/BRZ had a hard landing in the world of reality on PH, but the cold shoulder given to the Grenadier is remarkable. And not without good reason, I hasten to add. It's a utilitarian, commercially-orientated 4x4 that can't viably be used commercially even in pick-up form.
I like the station wagon version. Johny Smith gave it a pretty good review on the Late Brake Show too.I though the GT86/BRZ had a hard landing in the world of reality on PH, but the cold shoulder given to the Grenadier is remarkable. And not without good reason, I hasten to add. It's a utilitarian, commercially-orientated 4x4 that can't viably be used commercially even in pick-up form.
Sadly I'm not prepared to spend that kind of money on a car so my enthusiasm is lost on it. I agree about the taxation class, something of a problem in the UK market. Maybe patriotic French buyers will lap it up?
It can't have just been built as a toy for retired, suburban white blokes wanting a bit of fun with something that looks like a Land Rover but is more reliable and comfortable. I've always believed from the outset that they must have a corporate sales team that has spent the last few years tapping up industries and NGOs for orders and these will be the mainstay of the business.
Surely, not making it tax efficient in the U.K. either means they never planned to sell any commercially in the U.K. and they're confident that the leisure market will soak up the number they want to sell into this market?
The real business must be developed nation multinationals operating in developing nations?
Surely, not making it tax efficient in the U.K. either means they never planned to sell any commercially in the U.K. and they're confident that the leisure market will soak up the number they want to sell into this market?
The real business must be developed nation multinationals operating in developing nations?
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