RE: Mirage Countach | The Brave Pill
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Caddyshack said:
GTRene said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
love it, would like such one myself, ok not in red (not a red fan) but say in the 205 Grey-ish metallic, or the green metallic from some models.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
anyhow, what a nice little monster 205 that is, way better then most new cars, not a fan of most new cars either :-)
Oww my eyes! Make it stop, it's getting worse very quick. That Kingfisher effort is atrocious in all the ways that make replicas have a bad name.
I love Bertone styling, but am certainly in the camp that 70K is not realistic for this pill. If someone had money to burn and had fun in it good luck to them.
I am certainly a proud pleb in regards to my replica, it's a hobby, I chose to snort polyester and epoxy resin fumes rather than drink or smoke, but each to their own. I enjoy the challenge of the build process and engineering puzzles that need to be solved to suit the packaging and with a replica shape at least you know the final proportions are going to be pleasing to the eye, rather than a visual abomination. That I will have something that is fun to drive at the end of the process is the main motivator.
I love Bertone styling, but am certainly in the camp that 70K is not realistic for this pill. If someone had money to burn and had fun in it good luck to them.
I am certainly a proud pleb in regards to my replica, it's a hobby, I chose to snort polyester and epoxy resin fumes rather than drink or smoke, but each to their own. I enjoy the challenge of the build process and engineering puzzles that need to be solved to suit the packaging and with a replica shape at least you know the final proportions are going to be pleasing to the eye, rather than a visual abomination. That I will have something that is fun to drive at the end of the process is the main motivator.
Edited by F1natic on Thursday 23 March 00:33
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
The lambo is crap, and yours is excellent, that's the difference.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
And I doubt you're asking £70k for yours.
At least it's a real 205 and a real kit and this car exists (unlike the fake engine crap plastic car we're comparing it to).
wildoliver said:
There is only one good thing about it.
Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
Wow. Just...wow. Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
While I wouldn't buy this, to suggest that anyone who likes cars like it is a pleb and not a "proper" car enthusiast is a really poor attitude. Not everyone likes the same thing. The car world is a broad church and there are an infinite number of sub-cultures. You don't have to like all of them, but that doesn't mean they aren't every bit as passionate and knowledgeable as you are (or at least think you are).
With your attitude, it sounds like the only one anyone should be avoiding "like the plague" is you.
There are many cars I wouldn't want to own no matter what the price - this is one of them. But who gives a s
t what my taste in cars is.
I wouldn't want it because my eyes snag on the details which make it look not quite as a real one would and as much as I'd like to think that I don't care what others think of me - in reality, I wouldn't want to be seen as a fraud. Yes that makes me pretty weak willed but there you go.
I would however have huge respect to the people who built it and someone who owns it as long as they're not trying to pass it off as a Countach as it is a special car in its own right and I love special cars.
Despite my fraud comment above - I love the idea of a replica which tries to bring benefits over an original whilst still benefitting from the styling of the original.
I think the kit car kings of the day missed an opportunity with the Countach - had they not gone all Miami Vice which was the fashion in the day and gone for the purity of the unobtainable early models with periscope mirror and super smooth detailing - they could now be interesting cars if well implemented in the way we see C type copies now.
Some copy cars (such as some of the C types) can be great cars in their own right. I'm not sure if this one is.
t what my taste in cars is.I wouldn't want it because my eyes snag on the details which make it look not quite as a real one would and as much as I'd like to think that I don't care what others think of me - in reality, I wouldn't want to be seen as a fraud. Yes that makes me pretty weak willed but there you go.
I would however have huge respect to the people who built it and someone who owns it as long as they're not trying to pass it off as a Countach as it is a special car in its own right and I love special cars.
Despite my fraud comment above - I love the idea of a replica which tries to bring benefits over an original whilst still benefitting from the styling of the original.
I think the kit car kings of the day missed an opportunity with the Countach - had they not gone all Miami Vice which was the fashion in the day and gone for the purity of the unobtainable early models with periscope mirror and super smooth detailing - they could now be interesting cars if well implemented in the way we see C type copies now.
Some copy cars (such as some of the C types) can be great cars in their own right. I'm not sure if this one is.
Pistom said:
There are many cars I wouldn't want to own no matter what the price - this is one of them. But who gives a st what my taste in cars is.
I wouldn't want it because my eyes snag on the details which make it look not quite as a real one would and as much as I'd like to think that I don't care what others think of me - in reality, I wouldn't want to be seen as a fraud. Yes that makes me pretty weak willed but there you go.
I would however have huge respect to the people who built it and someone who owns it as long as they're not trying to pass it off as a Countach as it is a special car in its own right and I love special cars.
Despite my fraud comment above - I love the idea of a replica which tries to bring benefits over an original whilst still benefitting from the styling of the original.
I think the kit car kings of the day missed an opportunity with the Countach - had they not gone all Miami Vice which was the fashion in the day and gone for the purity of the unobtainable early models with periscope mirror and super smooth detailing - they could now be interesting cars if well implemented in the way we see C type copies now.
Some copy cars (such as some of the C types) can be great cars in their own right. I'm not sure if this one is.
The problem is that things like the Countach were fashion accessories and very much subject to changing tastes, more so than normal cars. A 70s style Countach would have been about as cool in 1985 as velour tracksuits and Von Dutch trucker caps are these days! t what my taste in cars is.I wouldn't want it because my eyes snag on the details which make it look not quite as a real one would and as much as I'd like to think that I don't care what others think of me - in reality, I wouldn't want to be seen as a fraud. Yes that makes me pretty weak willed but there you go.
I would however have huge respect to the people who built it and someone who owns it as long as they're not trying to pass it off as a Countach as it is a special car in its own right and I love special cars.
Despite my fraud comment above - I love the idea of a replica which tries to bring benefits over an original whilst still benefitting from the styling of the original.
I think the kit car kings of the day missed an opportunity with the Countach - had they not gone all Miami Vice which was the fashion in the day and gone for the purity of the unobtainable early models with periscope mirror and super smooth detailing - they could now be interesting cars if well implemented in the way we see C type copies now.
Some copy cars (such as some of the C types) can be great cars in their own right. I'm not sure if this one is.
wildoliver said:
There is only one good thing about it.
Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
I assume you are trying to provoke some form of reaction from the 'Plebs' who actually have kit cars or replicas? It's worked....Just like the Hawaiian shirt and fake gold Rolex it's easy to spot fake cars and avoid the owners like the plague at car shows.
The absolute joy of owning special cars, whether it is a few thousand quid of classic/vintage car up to a super car is the driving experience, it doesn't matter if it is the sonorous howl of a flat plane crank or the clicky whirr of an inertia starter on an a series you started by pressing an awkwardly placed button on the floor. It might be the feeling of rolling merrily around a country road in a 2cv while fighting with the gear shift or thrashing a flat 6 air cooled finely honed driving tool up a mountain pass.
You don't get any of that with a fake car. You get bits of other cars, probably good cars in their own right, cobbled together in an ill fitting fibreglass dress. The only people who will be fooled are randomers you drive past who don't know any better, how sad do you need to be to care what they think. And all proper car enthusiasts aside from other anorak wearing kit car fans will think you're a total pleb.
In this cars case you're a pleb who has no grasp of common sense as has already been said there are proper cars that can be bought for less.
I own a GT40 replica. I have driven it for tens of thousands of miles - it's been driven to Spa (driven to/from,and around the track), Le Mans more times than I can remember (and around the track), and it has been appreciated by many at various shows / petrol stations / car park at B&Q etc in the last 16 years of ownership. I would not consider myself a Pleb, and would challenge any car person not to grin from ear-to-ear if they had the good fortune to be in the car with that amazing V8 howling through the open pipes just inches from your head.
I'm glad that you would avoid me like the plague at a car show. Sounds like you are on the wrong forum.
Dazmonsta1 said:
I assume you are trying to provoke some form of reaction from the 'Plebs' who actually have kit cars or replicas? It's worked....
I own a GT40 replica. I have driven it for tens of thousands of miles - it's been driven to Spa (driven to/from,and around the track), Le Mans more times than I can remember (and around the track), and it has been appreciated by many at various shows / petrol stations / car park at B&Q etc in the last 16 years of ownership. I would not consider myself a Pleb, and would challenge any car person not to grin from ear-to-ear if they had the good fortune to be in the car with that amazing V8 howling through the open pipes just inches from your head.
I'm glad that you would avoid me like the plague at a car show. Sounds like you are on the wrong forum.
Don't be provoked - you can't please all the people all of the time. Why bother anyway. You sound like you've had a ball with the car and that's great to read.I own a GT40 replica. I have driven it for tens of thousands of miles - it's been driven to Spa (driven to/from,and around the track), Le Mans more times than I can remember (and around the track), and it has been appreciated by many at various shows / petrol stations / car park at B&Q etc in the last 16 years of ownership. I would not consider myself a Pleb, and would challenge any car person not to grin from ear-to-ear if they had the good fortune to be in the car with that amazing V8 howling through the open pipes just inches from your head.
I'm glad that you would avoid me like the plague at a car show. Sounds like you are on the wrong forum.
Pistom said:
Don't be provoked - you can't please all the people all of the time. Why bother anyway. You sound like you've had a ball with the car and that's great to read.
I know....It's just that most of us that are actually part of the kit/replica scene are proper petrol heads. Not many people would attempt to build their own car, and most of us actually use them! The very dated view of a plastic body mounted to a VW chassis could not be further from the truth when it comes to most GT40's, Ultimas and the like.
Narrow minded people like that do my head in!
Dazmonsta1 said:
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Narrow minded people like that do my head in!
I think this is the price you pay for owning a car like yours. The average car aware person seeing your car in B&Q will assume it's a kit and kits just got such negative stigma in the 80s as there was so much crap about. Narrow minded people like that do my head in!
It doesn't help when some try to pass off shonky cars as the real thing.
In any case - you're going to get judged if you're going to have a car like that but you know that anyway.
You have to wonder what people were thinking when you look at crap like that Kingfisher Countess further back in the thread and to compare a car like I imagine yours probably is seems as you say - narrow minded.
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
I much prefer your 205 than the god awful Lamborghini replica and I’m sure the Pug is a lot more fun to drive.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
Have you done a build thread or anything specific for your 205?
It doesn't matter what car you own some "expert" will explain that it is not right.
I knew a guy who had a concourse winning Stag and at a local show an "expert" was telling all that were in ear shot how it wasn't right because some part wasn't fitted at the time.
Like the Pug at the time people were slagging of X pack Fords and anything with a body kit, now people see them as what they were a car of the period. Others will disagree.
Replicas has always been a funny area for many, the GT4O shown is a beauty and most will not have an issue because they know a genuine one is out of reach for most. Knowing how much it would cost to build if this GT40 came up for sale at a similar price it would not get the reaction the Lambo has. Manufacturers have "found a few bits" to make a "continuation" which is then essentially not like the original as it s better made, but that is okay.
I never get people who want to run something down when it has no affect on them. If someone is happy to pay £70k for the Lambo the good luck to them, we may not agree but this is what makes us differrent and we should celebrate all things motoring whilst we can because sooner or later in the guise of nett zero we will get restricted on what we can drive and when
I knew a guy who had a concourse winning Stag and at a local show an "expert" was telling all that were in ear shot how it wasn't right because some part wasn't fitted at the time.
Like the Pug at the time people were slagging of X pack Fords and anything with a body kit, now people see them as what they were a car of the period. Others will disagree.
Replicas has always been a funny area for many, the GT4O shown is a beauty and most will not have an issue because they know a genuine one is out of reach for most. Knowing how much it would cost to build if this GT40 came up for sale at a similar price it would not get the reaction the Lambo has. Manufacturers have "found a few bits" to make a "continuation" which is then essentially not like the original as it s better made, but that is okay.
I never get people who want to run something down when it has no affect on them. If someone is happy to pay £70k for the Lambo the good luck to them, we may not agree but this is what makes us differrent and we should celebrate all things motoring whilst we can because sooner or later in the guise of nett zero we will get restricted on what we can drive and when
P. ONeill said:
Caddyshack said:
This thread has disappointed me. I thought the petrol heads with a love for cars would have appreciated it even as a replica / copy.
I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
I much prefer your 205 than the god awful Lamborghini replica and I’m sure the Pug is a lot more fun to drive.I have a 205 Pug with T16 kit on it - it runs 4wd and 600hp Cossie set up...I think of it as an homage to the T16 and not a wannabe. It only seems to get appreciation when I take it out.
Have you done a build thread or anything specific for your 205?
I think there's a difference between "Ooh, 'orrible replicas" and "That's an interesting proposition, but not at £70k". I'll count myself in the latter camp.
Some interesting work has gone into this. I'm not sure that I would pass over other interesting £70k toys in favour of this, though. Someone what might though... and after all, the vendor only has to find just one.
And that 205 is lovely.
Some interesting work has gone into this. I'm not sure that I would pass over other interesting £70k toys in favour of this, though. Someone what might though... and after all, the vendor only has to find just one.
And that 205 is lovely.
Well, after reading all the posts in this thread, I cannot believe the amount of uninformed, ignorant and arrogant comments. I could safely say that pretty much 90% of the posters have never ever seen a real Countach and then to say 'oh this part looks wrong etc etc'. Unless you spend a heap of time with such cars, making comments like that is just arrogant. I see some other fool talking about 'oh I wonder if it has A arm suspension like the original? Again, another ignorant person commenting on things they know nothing about. Then there was the issue with the gearchange gate, all manner of comments and yet have no idea why it is like it is. Sure the interior is not right but it would fool the children from the local Kindy (as someone said the kindy kids could tell it was fake). Then there is the clown saying 'oh I think someone took a mold off an original .... " Yes, that did happen. I can also probably safely assume that of that 90% of posters, not one has a socket set and even less have a set of welders, folders, hoists and all manner of tools to even contemplate making any sort of replica. There are thousands of Cobras and GT40s out there. The Countach is probably the most difficult of any replica vehicle to re-create (or cobbled together as one punter put it). You want to see a GT40 then if you want cobbled. Dont get stuck on a '350' and the sound. How about a 377 or a 302, cross over that exhaust and it sounds great. Remember the original Countach sounds exactly like a V6 engine. Perhaps a PRV one would better suit your taste? I'd love to see the vehicles that the 90% own. Yup, struggle on with your Vauxhall Corsa while other live their dreams.
BruceNZ said:
Well, after reading all the posts in this thread, I cannot believe the amount of uninformed, ignorant and arrogant comments. I could safely say that pretty much 90% of the posters have never ever seen a real Countach and then to say 'oh this part looks wrong etc etc'. Unless you spend a heap of time with such cars, making comments like that is just arrogant. I see some other fool talking about 'oh I wonder if it has A arm suspension like the original? Again, another ignorant person commenting on things they know nothing about. Then there was the issue with the gearchange gate, all manner of comments and yet have no idea why it is like it is. Sure the interior is not right but it would fool the children from the local Kindy (as someone said the kindy kids could tell it was fake). Then there is the clown saying 'oh I think someone took a mold off an original .... " Yes, that did happen. I can also probably safely assume that of that 90% of posters, not one has a socket set and even less have a set of welders, folders, hoists and all manner of tools to even contemplate making any sort of replica. There are thousands of Cobras and GT40s out there. The Countach is probably the most difficult of any replica vehicle to re-create (or cobbled together as one punter put it). You want to see a GT40 then if you want cobbled. Dont get stuck on a '350' and the sound. How about a 377 or a 302, cross over that exhaust and it sounds great. Remember the original Countach sounds exactly like a V6 engine. Perhaps a PRV one would better suit your taste? I'd love to see the vehicles that the 90% own. Yup, struggle on with your Vauxhall Corsa while other live their dreams.
I'm guessing you own the thing?!Thundersports said:
I'm guessing you own the thing?!
They just sounded a bit angry to me. He had some valid points but car people will slate other owners for not having OEM tyres so I think you've just got to accept that if you're going to own something like the subject car - you're going to get some flack.
He's probably right that the people who deride it probably are tossers but even they're entitled to their opinions.
It just someone's car.
Could the asking price be based around the build costs, irrespective of the thousands of hours spent building, and probably rebuilding it over the years?
Some of these replicas even use genuine factory parts like lights, badges and interior trim which is insanely expensive to buy.
Not something that would get built today, but would cost a fortune to build right from scratch.
Rather like the real item, very rare and with little recent sales data makes accurate valuation difficult.
Many reviews have criticised the Countach for being disappointing to drive, small cabin and awful visibility and most of the kits drive a lot worse. ( I read somewhere an owner test drove half a dozen replicas over the years but though only one was ok)
Some of these replicas even use genuine factory parts like lights, badges and interior trim which is insanely expensive to buy.
Not something that would get built today, but would cost a fortune to build right from scratch.
Rather like the real item, very rare and with little recent sales data makes accurate valuation difficult.
Many reviews have criticised the Countach for being disappointing to drive, small cabin and awful visibility and most of the kits drive a lot worse. ( I read somewhere an owner test drove half a dozen replicas over the years but though only one was ok)
Edited by Tyrell Corp on Saturday 6th January 18:26
Tyrell Corp said:
Some of these replicas even use genuine factory parts like lights, badges and interior trim which is insanely expensive to buy.
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