RE: Mirage Countach | The Brave Pill
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aestivator said:
So this is for someone with lots of money, but not enough money for an actual vintage Lambo. Niche, particularly when you could get a newer one for that money.
Let's hope the car is less rotten than the window frames in that house...
How can you get a newer one for that money? I haven’t seen many for sale.Let's hope the car is less rotten than the window frames in that house...
I am a little surprised by the negative comments about this. I thought people would love a pretty close replica to a poster car. Is it the cost? If it was £30k would people then love it?
Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
Caddyshack said:
I am a little surprised by the negative comments about this. I thought people would love a pretty close replica to a poster car. Is it the cost? If it was £30k would people then love it?
Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
I would happily spend £70k on a LB Stratos, and be happy in the knowledge there was a properly built spaceframe chassis and correctly engineered brakes and suspension under me should the worst happen. Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
Similarly a Gardner Douglas Cobra. And you'll stand a very good chance of getting most if not all your money back should you ever sell.
This replica may be nicely built to be fair, you can't see how the chassis is built or constructed. One man's replica is another man's death trap...
Caddyshack said:
I am a little surprised by the negative comments about this. I thought people would love a pretty close replica to a poster car. Is it the cost? If it was £30k would people then love it?
Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
To be honest I’m with you on this. As a replica it’s pretty good. All it needs is to ride an inch or so lower on its suspension, which presumably can be done. So looks wise it ticks the boxes. Engine wise it’s not bad. Sure it’s no v12 but a big lump of American v8 beats a Toyota 4 pot any day. If the chassis is half decent and tweaked by Noble then let’s assume the handling is respectable too.Maybe the replica just brings out the snob demographic in PH. If it were a Cobra rep or GT40 would it be the same?
On the negative side, they chose the wrong generation of countach to copy. If they had done a rep of an early one that would get more favourable comments I’m sure.
Secondly the price. It seems a bit high and puts other nice stuff in range… but it would have cost at least this to build I bet. Cobra and gt40 replicas often go for more to much more. People are comparing it to a stratos rep, but realistically I suspect a decent stratos rep will cost more too. This is a car waiting for the right kind of customer, someone who still has that poster on their bedroom wall, for whom nothing else ever beat the 80’s excess for the countach 25yr anniversary model. Someone who thinks a boxter is a bit bland and boring.
ducnick said:
To be honest I’m with you on this. As a replica it’s pretty good. All it needs is to ride an inch or so lower on its suspension, which presumably can be done. So looks wise it ticks the boxes. Engine wise it’s not bad. Sure it’s no v12 but a big lump of American v8 beats a Toyota 4 pot any day. If the chassis is half decent and tweaked by Noble then let’s assume the handling is respectable too.
On the negative side, they chose the wrong generation of countach to copy. If they had done a rep of an early one that would get more favourable comments I’m sure.
Secondly the price. It seems a bit high and puts other nice stuff in range… but it would have cost at least this to build I bet. Cobra and gt40 replicas often go for more to much more. People are comparing it to a stratos rep, but realistically I suspect a decent stratos rep will cost more too. This is a car waiting for the right kind of customer, someone who still has that poster on their bedroom wall, for whom nothing else ever beat the 80’s excess for the countach 25yr anniversary model. Someone who thinks a boxter is a bit bland and boring.
70k gets you right into LB or GD territory. Agree though this would only appeal to a very small customer base. It does look a good replica compared to some I've seen and particularly stuff like the MR2 fake ferrari etc. On the negative side, they chose the wrong generation of countach to copy. If they had done a rep of an early one that would get more favourable comments I’m sure.
Secondly the price. It seems a bit high and puts other nice stuff in range… but it would have cost at least this to build I bet. Cobra and gt40 replicas often go for more to much more. People are comparing it to a stratos rep, but realistically I suspect a decent stratos rep will cost more too. This is a car waiting for the right kind of customer, someone who still has that poster on their bedroom wall, for whom nothing else ever beat the 80’s excess for the countach 25yr anniversary model. Someone who thinks a boxter is a bit bland and boring.
The minute you open the engine cover though you are exposed! Would be interesting if they had driven it to see how well it actually drives.
Caddyshack said:
Sidecar Man said:
Interesting car but wants a good tidy up.I guess there are 3 potential types of customer for this and none of them frequent this website:
1. Attention seeker who isnt that into cars but has/had a poster of a countach.
2. Kit car fan who wants to build a countach and sees this as a cheap starting point once they knock the dealer down a bit to a more realistic £30k Strip the 25yr anniversary body kit and wing, paint it green and put a jag v12 in.
3. Movie studio who needs a countach to be crashed in the next fast and furious film. This could be dressed like their genuine car and destroyed in a stunt scene.
1. Attention seeker who isnt that into cars but has/had a poster of a countach.
2. Kit car fan who wants to build a countach and sees this as a cheap starting point once they knock the dealer down a bit to a more realistic £30k Strip the 25yr anniversary body kit and wing, paint it green and put a jag v12 in.
3. Movie studio who needs a countach to be crashed in the next fast and furious film. This could be dressed like their genuine car and destroyed in a stunt scene.
Edited by ducnick on Sunday 19th March 12:11
Caddyshack said:
I am a little surprised by the negative comments about this. I thought people would love a pretty close replica to a poster car. Is it the cost? If it was £30k would people then love it?
Price is the decider for me. It is a good effort, especially the interior, and with a bit more fiddling will look more convincing. But it's a great deal of money for something with little to no 'pedigree'.
Lister Bell, Lynx etc are replicas but are also known for being quality cars in themselves.
For those saying it's obvious that it's fake, or that a toddler could spot that it's a replica, I think you're ignoring reality a bit. A petrolhead might be like that, but most people would have no idea. Not everyone has an intimate knowledge of scuttle height or dashboard shape (thank God!)
Personally, I couldn't imagine spending so much money on it, given what else you could have for the same money but, if you adore the Countach, aren't in a position to buy the real thing, and enjoy tinkering with cars, then maybe you would feel differently. As kit car replicas go, this is pretty good, so might be just what someone is looking for. We're all different at the end of the day.
As someone else said, it's funny how so many folk would happily own a replica of a Stratos or Cobra, but get sniffy about other things.
Personally, I couldn't imagine spending so much money on it, given what else you could have for the same money but, if you adore the Countach, aren't in a position to buy the real thing, and enjoy tinkering with cars, then maybe you would feel differently. As kit car replicas go, this is pretty good, so might be just what someone is looking for. We're all different at the end of the day.
As someone else said, it's funny how so many folk would happily own a replica of a Stratos or Cobra, but get sniffy about other things.
Jon_S_Rally said:
For those saying it's obvious that it's fake, or that a toddler could spot that it's a replica, I think you're ignoring reality a bit. A petrolhead might be like that, but most people would have no idea. Not everyone has an intimate knowledge of scuttle height or dashboard shape (thank God!)
You don't have to know anything about cars to know a shape isn't quite 'right'. However most people who idolised the Countach in their youth are now in care homes or long gone so you've a higher chance of impressing these days.
essayer said:
bloomen said:
However most people who idolised the Countach in their youth are now in care homes or long gone so you've a higher chance of impressing these days.
The first ones were on sale in 1974! If you had a poster on your wall aged 12 you would be 60 now! 
bloomen said:
You don't have to know anything about cars to know a shape isn't quite 'right'.
However most people who idolised the Countach in their youth are now in care homes or long gone so you've a higher chance of impressing these days.
I think you're over estimating how much your average person knows about cars. Most normal folk would see this, look at the badge and take it as read. Even if they thought the shape didn't look "right", that doesn't mean they would think it was a fake - they would probably just think that it looks weird/ugly. I'm certainly not a Lamborghini officianado, but am a petrolhead through and through. If I saw this in the wild, I don't know if I would immediately have identified it as a fake prior to reading this thread. There were plenty of Countach variants over the years, and the shape changed pretty dramatically, so it's easy enough to get confused unless you're a Countach fan (or at least of an age where it was more significant).However most people who idolised the Countach in their youth are now in care homes or long gone so you've a higher chance of impressing these days.
Why do you assume that buying this would be about impressing people? Someone might just buy it because they like it. Not everyone buys things to impress other people.
Edited by Jon_S_Rally on Sunday 19th March 13:09
200Plus Club said:
I would happily spend £70k on a LB Stratos, and be happy in the knowledge there was a properly built spaceframe chassis and correctly engineered brakes and suspension under me should the worst happen.
Similarly a Gardner Douglas Cobra. And you'll stand a very good chance of getting most if not all your money back should you ever sell.
This replica may be nicely built to be fair, you can't see how the chassis is built or constructed. One man's replica is another man's death trap...
I am pretty sure this kit was very well respected back in the day. I wouldn’t assume it is any worse than a GD or LB.Similarly a Gardner Douglas Cobra. And you'll stand a very good chance of getting most if not all your money back should you ever sell.
This replica may be nicely built to be fair, you can't see how the chassis is built or constructed. One man's replica is another man's death trap...
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