RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

[coppice]

It was noteworthy that the sublime sounding , wailing and howling V6 in the Metro also powered , in turbo form , the XJ220 . The car which sounded like a well shaken bucket of nails .

[Zumbruk]

mrclav said:

Pusikurac said:

DeejRC said:

Everyone minus me. I always thought they were embarrassing piles of dog poop. Appallingly awful contraptions that never worked and when they did vaguely work barely competed.
Rubbish dross.

I'm with you. This is blindingly ugly and pointless.

With you both. Never liked them either.

So don't buy one. Sorted.

[wpa1975]

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

[super7]

coppice said:

It was noteworthy that the sublime sounding , wailing and howling V6 in the Metro also powered , in turbo form , the XJ220 . The car which sounded like a well shaken bucket of nails .

That's what happens when you whack a couple of turbo's on an engine......

[super7]

wpa1975 said:

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

If I had the money i'd have one

[PhillipM]

wpa1975 said:

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

Seems a bit pricey when I know this changed hands for about 40k last time it sold...



I can easily see 100k for a new road registered car but 300k+ seems seriously pushing it for a replica.

[Glenn63]

PhillipM said:

wpa1975 said:

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

Seems a bit pricey when I know this changed hands for about 40k last time it sold...



I can easily see 100k for a new road registered car but 300k+ seems seriously pushing it for a replica.

Most of these replica companies are just jumping on the band wagon of taking the piss prices while they can.
‘That’s what it cost to build’, yeh with £1000 an hour labour rates.

[ajprice]

wpa1975 said:

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

If the spec is anything like the not an Escorts, you have the choice of power level from 200+bhp Duratec to 350+bhp Millington, and trim from stripped out rally car to leather seats, sound system and some soundproofing (it won't make it a Rolls Royce though ). The Audi V6 will probably have options of standard power or tuned. The width of a 6r4 is about the same as a modern Focus/Golf/Astra.

It might not be everybodys thing, but they'll sell enough.

[The Wookie]

Caddyshack said:

I mean MST buying whatever engine Lotus is able to buy for their current Lotus range - Surely if Lotus can buy it then MST can ask too?


In theory they may also be able to buy the AMG turbo 4 pot.

Typically these sort of niche vehicles are supplied by larger race engine builders such as Mountune who can offer a brand new engine in small batch volumes based on an upgraded high volume OEM engine.

Using something like the AMG engine out of the box is fraught with politics and integration issues, not to mention eye watering costs in small volumes. You'd probably be talking about buying them at dealer prices which would likely be c.£30k

[The Wookie]

Glenn63 said:

Most of these replica companies are just jumping on the band wagon of taking the piss prices while they can.
‘That’s what it cost to build’, yeh with £1000 an hour labour rates.

You can slap something together in a shed cheaply but to do it to a level of quality to satisfy that satisfies a hefty price means more design, better tooling, better suppliers, more iterations. Margins are probably similar but obviously the gross number is larger for the more expensive product.

Perhaps oversimplifying it but if you have the buyers at the higher value then why make 50 cheap at 100k with all the hassle and extra time of a larger volume at 10% margin to make half a million quid when you could make 20 high quality ones at 300k and make £600k in a shorter space of time.

[Caddyshack]

wpa1975 said:

I do have one question, where is the market for these then, £300k for a toy seems a lot cannot see it has much use as a road car.

300k is chump change to some people. Some of the historic motorsport world spend numbers like that for fun.

[coppice]

super7 said:

coppice said:

It was noteworthy that the sublime sounding , wailing and howling V6 in the Metro also powered , in turbo form , the XJ220 . The car which sounded like a well shaken bucket of nails .

That's what happens when you whack a couple of turbo's on an engine......

Yess... except it sounded gorgeous in Gollop's turbo 6R4 . And many 80s turbo V6s - at least in racing - sounded fabulous , few more than the 85/ 86 Ligier with Renault power, which so tingled my ears at Silverstone and Brands . Come to think of it , it was another Ligier, the Mugen V10 of 1996 which perforated my eardrum at Silverstone ...

[DelicaL400]

PhillipM said:

Seems a bit pricey when I know this changed hands for about 40k last time it sold...

That isn't a 6R4 though. Real 6R4s have been selling for rather more!

[thegreenhell]

Three 6R4s sold at public auctions last year for less than £200k each. It's hard to fathom a replica (if it really is a replica with a completely different engine and transmission) selling for 50% more than the real thing. Maybe it will be more along the lines of that Kimera Evo37, which is more 'inspired by' than true replica. A replicamod, perhaps?

[What The Deuces]

thegreenhell said:

Three 6R4s sold at public auctions last year for less than £200k each. It's hard to fathom a replica (if it really is a replica with a completely different engine and transmission) selling for 50% more than the real thing. Maybe it will be more along the lines of that Kimera Evo37, which is more 'inspired by' than true replica. A replicamod, perhaps?

Were they fully commissioned with zero hour engines and shells?

[GTRene]

ChevronB19 said:

djone101 said:

Not that long ago - 2006 on the Harry Flatters Rally - 4 minutes of flat out.
My good friend Dave calling the notes - That'll do...

God, that sounds good!

Fond memories of standing in various Cumbrian forests during the Group B era.

Sounds lovely, music from the trumpets, only trumpets or hidden in a carbon box?

[Gary C]

ChocolateFrog said:

What's the point?

They're hideously ugly but made sense in the day and they were raced in period giving them credibility.

This is just an exercise in extracting money from the over monied.

I sort of see your point, I would love an original 6R4, would I love one of these with no pedigree ?

Well, if I had the money, I might have one of these to go alongside a real one. Drive the MST one harder and faster maybe ?

But even without that, if its the nearest I could come to one of the icons of my youth and I could afford it, why not.

[Caddyshack]

Gary C said:

ChocolateFrog said:

What's the point?

They're hideously ugly but made sense in the day and they were raced in period giving them credibility.

This is just an exercise in extracting money from the over monied.

I sort of see your point, I would love an original 6R4, would I love one of these with no pedigree ?

Well, if I had the money, I might have one of these to go alongside a real one. Drive the MST one harder and faster maybe ?

But even without that, if its the nearest I could come to one of the icons of my youth and I could afford it, why not.

I bet most will be msa log booked and will compete and create their own pedigree over time.

My one will be either a computer vision rep or British racing green with the big MG stickers and road trim…..


The guy that builds and races RC cars ‘odditified’ built his own from scratch and runs 600hp Audi lump.

[Caddyshack]

I had one of these as my first car but my one was orange over silver:



Dear MST, please can I have one like this:



And

One like this:

[timtime]

For those on a budget there’s always this https://twitter.com/alexthepage/status/16385366820...

Edited by timtime on Saturday 25th March 09:51