RE: Fisker Ocean Extreme promises up to 440 WLTP miles
Discussion
smilo996 said:
It is a shame that Henrik Fisker of Z8, DB9 and V8 Vantage fame was not blessed with a similar amount of money to bring his first attempts to market like Musk and his fisher price jelly moulds, with silly features.
His first efforts were a real attempt at making cars greener.
As mentioned a few pages back, I really loved the Fisker Karma. His first efforts were a real attempt at making cars greener.
Didn't know the estate version was a thing? Anyway, the problem with the Karma was a combination of unreliability and the fact that they were nowhere near as fast as the looks suggested (whilst it nominally could do 0-60 in 5.9, in was more likely to do it in 7.9 in Stealth Mode). They come up for sale occasionally over here (UAE), but thus far I'm just too wary of running costs and unreliability to take the risk.
https://uae.dubizzle.com/motors/used-cars/fisker/
whp1983 said:
As someone else said is there anything else to speculate on car, what it might be like to drive, are they well made, options, specifications etc etc
Just seems with every EV release…. Here is a box, this much distance on a charge, how fast it charges.
Also I think merc EQS claims over 400 (massive money though)
If you go looking there's a lot of info on this car over on Fiskerati.comJust seems with every EV release…. Here is a box, this much distance on a charge, how fast it charges.
Also I think merc EQS claims over 400 (massive money though)
https://fiskerati.com/fisker-ocean/race-car-driver...
QuattroDave said:
Do tell more. Do you have an expected delivery date? Which model did you go for?
I'm very tempted by one of these to replace my i3 rex but not quite ready to pull the trigger yet!
tbh it was a speculative i love that im sticking £250 down now as its refundable back in december. not heard much since. dont really want a new car till the end of the year anyway but cant wait to see these in the fleshI'm very tempted by one of these to replace my i3 rex but not quite ready to pull the trigger yet!
James6112 said:
Sulphur Man said:
Once more, for those at the back.
An EV makes sense to most prospective customers if:
1) They have access to a company car/salary sacrifice lease schemes that greatly reduce the monthly leasing and taxable BIK
2) They can charge the car without delay or obstruction. Meaning at home, or at a place of work with guaranteed sufficient EV charge capacity.
3) They drive sufficient miles to realise the cost-saving of an EV. It's not realising any 'fuel' saving standing idle - especially if 1) is not available.
Every satisfied EV owner I know has the benefit of 1) and 2). To them 3) doesnt matter.
A few other EV owners I know without 1) still have 2), and have made the decision on environmental grounds/ULEZ access. Their EVs are second cars - there's an ICE on the drive for the long distance stuff. None have felt they've saved any money on EV ownership. They do like the driving experience though and the relatively lower servicing costs.
Owning an ICE or ICE-hybrid car carries a convenience, and predictability that EV-ownership currently cannot match. Unless drivers can get weened off the convenience of ICE, plus EVs get much. much cheaper whilst retaining useful range (not Honda e range), that's not about to change.
As for the used EV market - a disaster. No one really trusts them, least of all dealers. So they're 20% less than petrol equivalents on forecourts, and not finding buyers.
Not so sure about 1)An EV makes sense to most prospective customers if:
1) They have access to a company car/salary sacrifice lease schemes that greatly reduce the monthly leasing and taxable BIK
2) They can charge the car without delay or obstruction. Meaning at home, or at a place of work with guaranteed sufficient EV charge capacity.
3) They drive sufficient miles to realise the cost-saving of an EV. It's not realising any 'fuel' saving standing idle - especially if 1) is not available.
Every satisfied EV owner I know has the benefit of 1) and 2). To them 3) doesnt matter.
A few other EV owners I know without 1) still have 2), and have made the decision on environmental grounds/ULEZ access. Their EVs are second cars - there's an ICE on the drive for the long distance stuff. None have felt they've saved any money on EV ownership. They do like the driving experience though and the relatively lower servicing costs.
Owning an ICE or ICE-hybrid car carries a convenience, and predictability that EV-ownership currently cannot match. Unless drivers can get weened off the convenience of ICE, plus EVs get much. much cheaper whilst retaining useful range (not Honda e range), that's not about to change.
As for the used EV market - a disaster. No one really trusts them, least of all dealers. So they're 20% less than petrol equivalents on forecourts, and not finding buyers.
Edited by Sulphur Man on Monday 27th March 17:15
My salary sacrifice scheme just announced. 40% tax saving, great news! Not.
Makes a Tesla model Y £60 a month cheaper than leasing straight from Tesla
Someone is trousering a fair wedge..
The prices were at the top end to start with
The company not passing on the NI savings. As the scheme has an overhead to run…
Some must be better than others.
Cheaper to lease privately in my case (even after the supposed 40% tax saving / scam)
WHAT IS THE BATTERY SIZE?
Man, such lazy journalism. Something has to give. 400miles real range means 100kwh battery with an efficiency of 4miles/kwh. If it's claiming higher than 4 then there are some serious physics at play. Either that or it has a 120kwh battery. And then it'll cost 90k plus just for battery costs.
Man, such lazy journalism. Something has to give. 400miles real range means 100kwh battery with an efficiency of 4miles/kwh. If it's claiming higher than 4 then there are some serious physics at play. Either that or it has a 120kwh battery. And then it'll cost 90k plus just for battery costs.
jhayward1980 said:
WHAT IS THE BATTERY SIZE?
Man, such lazy journalism. Something has to give. 400miles real range means 100kwh battery with an efficiency of 4miles/kwh. If it's claiming higher than 4 then there are some serious physics at play. Either that or it has a 120kwh battery. And then it'll cost 90k plus just for battery costs.
Fisker hasn't released the battery size but the price is on the configurator - the "release" Edition comes in at the £61k mark - with the 440WLTP which obviously doesn't mean 400 real miles unless you drive in lab conditions!Man, such lazy journalism. Something has to give. 400miles real range means 100kwh battery with an efficiency of 4miles/kwh. If it's claiming higher than 4 then there are some serious physics at play. Either that or it has a 120kwh battery. And then it'll cost 90k plus just for battery costs.
Compared to other SUV's it's not ugly and seems to have something about it especially when you avoid the 3 spoke wheels which are extra anyway iirc
Decent range - the company car EV we're looking at has 317WLTP claim so you could rightly expect the Ocean to have a real range that's better.
Price point - when you look at the other cars Q4 etron/ BMW IX1 they all end up being more costly with less range.
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